MS only invited like 100 press to the event, and we missed the list, though the livestream was freely available. So a Live Blog of a Livestream might seem a bit odd, especially later in the day. :)
I still think this should not be a pipeline story.
Hope you guys do some articles on things like DX12, the AR headset, and the Win10 beta once it's released. Amongst many other interesting things. And detailed articles, not just a quick simplified article that belongs on a biased hipster junk site like TheVerge or whatever.
It's been pretty disappointing here lately for detailed articles. Have you even done an article on AMD's Omega drivers and the new features yet?
I don't mean to sound disrespectful or anything. It's just that this is exactly the type of stuff many people come to AT for and there just doesn't seem to be as many articles recently that really go in depth.
We'll go more in depth with this release once we get the bits to run and dig into. I am looking forward to seeing the changes from the last build which is pretty buggy.
Wait, why would you want livebogging instead of a real article? Liveblogging is used where there isn't time to write a proper article, complete with good stuff like paragraphs, spell checking and other editing.
This was a nicely done piece. If it had looked like a Twitter feed, I personally wouldn't have bothered reading it. But, eh, here you go: article live-bloggified.
05:46PM EST - Windows 10 event is starting, announcer walked on stage. Slob next to me woke up, my arm is still damp from his drool.
05:47PM EST - Windows 10 free upgrade to 7 and 8 users.
05:47PM EST - Gasps and muttering from crowd. Someone fainted.
05:48PM EST - Cortana is on the desktop now, it's totally not Siri.
05:49PM EST - Universal Apps are a thing.
05:50PM EST - MS is working on Project Satan, if you're run over will turn you into a werecar.
05:51PM EST - PC and XBox can play together, much platform trash talking in audience.
The only way to for Microsoft to make a comeback is by first repairing customer relationships from angry people like me first! Now they need to give me a refund for www.detoxyourpc.com to fix how slow mine was! If they want to make upgrades free, they should really make their apology mean something by giving refunds.
Are you serious or is this just an add for that page? OEMs ship their computers will a lot of rubbish but you do have the option of buying from MS with all of that stripped out.
Even before that update, they released some generic keys that can always work during installation, without activating it, and later you activate with your real key.
... I think you're talking about something else. Blassster was referring to the installation process for an upgrade license. Back in the XP days all you needed was an existing key for a current or older version of Windows. Starting with Vista an upgrade license required that you had an existing Windows installation on the system you were upgrading, which is more restrictive. You couldn't simply enter an existing key and install an upgrade license on a fresh system. Does Windows 8 upgrade work differently?
Windows 10..kinda blah. HoloLens might be really, really interesting if they can implement it right. While VR is cool for games and entertainment augmented reality done right could change our culture as much as the introduction of the internet has. While not generally a huge MS fan I really have some high hopes for the potential of HoloLens
I'm a bit concerned that trying to be all things on all platforms will result in a gargantuan, bloated mess. I'm sure people won't be thrilled to have their 128 GB SSD almost filled by Windows 10! Any word on that?
I am not sure why you would think windows 10 comes with a lot larger install base, they made it just like windows 8.1 to be able to run the desktop version on tablets/laptops/desktops and now also some variant on phone. My virtual machine installment of one of the preview build is using around 18 GB atm, after installing visual studio. I watched the broadcast today and the 4 major components not fully avaible yet in the build are : xboxlive integeration , cortanna , the new IE and holostuff. Even if they all come default integrated that shouldnt add much more to the install. But we will find out in the next preview builds.
"My virtual machine installment of one of the preview build is using around 18 GB atm, after installing visual studio"
I don't believe you. When I did a fresh install of Windows 10 preview, it was around 30GB straight off the bat. Installing Visual Studio on top of that added another 10GB or so.
If you paid attention to the build notes you would know that there was a bug in 9841 that caused the driver folder to blow up resulting in about 30 GB of storage. The bug is fixed in 9879 and I am assuming in the 992x builds they are releasing next week.
Yeah, let's just push out an unsubstantiated rumour about install size, when the cost of SSDs is at an all-time low. It wasn't important when Windows 7 came out, or Windows 8, or 8.1. If it really bums you out use the money saved from not having to actually buy it on a bigger SSD.
I was just asking if install size was addressed, or if is a priority to keep it small. Just asking for clarification, not starting rumors. I'm concerned based on Windows 7 taking up 50+ GB at this point on my machine. I haven't paid attention to my Windows 8.1 disk size, as it's just the family living room computer. It would be great if Windows made an effort to combat bloat.
All operating systems will bloat over time. They've done some work recently to change the way Windows 8 stores its operating files, so they can compress it down a bunch.
After two years, my Windows folder on Win 8.1 is 20.5 GB.
He's certainly more forward looking. Windows 10 is certainly looking to be a more refined version of Windows 8.x, and with the way Microsoft is planning to roll out Windows 10, I believe they are readying to kill Windows 7 dead before it becomes super entrenched like Windows XP had.
What!? Where did you get that idea? All phones currently able to run Windows Phone 8.1, essentialy all phones that where released with Windows Phone 8.0 or up, will be getting a free upgrade to Windows 10.
Signed up to say how dissapointing it was that Anand is barely giving this event any attention. No liveblog, no in depth analysis. Sad day when The Verge is becoming my go to when I want fresh tech articles.
"Once devices are updated to Windows 10, they will be kept current for the lifetime of the device"
I've read this several times now, not just on Anandtech, but what does it mean exactly? Will these free upgrade licenses be treated differently than a regular 10 license in terms of support? I find it strange that they specify lifetime of your "device" instead of the lifetime of the OS, which is what I would expect.
"the lifetime of the device" is the standard OEM license agreement. Basically they're saying that you have OEM right to windows 10 through the upgrade, it's tied to that specific machine for the life of the machine. You cannot transfer that windows 10 license to a brand new machine, you have to purchase a new windows license at that point just like any other OEM software.
It's not an OEM license though, it's an upgrade license, but it's being treated like an OEM license which sucks. Then again you are getting it for free.
Super fast; quite beauty then 8; "HOLO" is vision of future, only trouble for some rumours for to be bound by specific devices and lock their user control...
Som UI-inconsistencies aside, Windows 10 on phones look pretty great. The prospect of a new flagship by the end of summer is comforting as well, even though it's a bit overdue.
They where clearly waiting for Windows 10. Hopefully this means that Windows 10 is due at the end of the summer as well. And the current flagship Lumia 930 can easily hold it's own against the top of Android or iOS. That it does not sport a SD805 or 810 is non issue. It runs smooth as hell with anything you throw at it.
My main issue with the 930 is the average battery life and lack of expandable storage. I use Spotify in offline mode and I need a lot of memory to store it all.
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Hairs_ - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
This only merits a Pipeline story? No liveblogging?This is surely just as important to the tech world as a new phone.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
MS only invited like 100 press to the event, and we missed the list, though the livestream was freely available. So a Live Blog of a Livestream might seem a bit odd, especially later in the day. :)B3an - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
I still think this should not be a pipeline story.Hope you guys do some articles on things like DX12, the AR headset, and the Win10 beta once it's released. Amongst many other interesting things. And detailed articles, not just a quick simplified article that belongs on a biased hipster junk site like TheVerge or whatever.
It's been pretty disappointing here lately for detailed articles. Have you even done an article on AMD's Omega drivers and the new features yet?
I don't mean to sound disrespectful or anything. It's just that this is exactly the type of stuff many people come to AT for and there just doesn't seem to be as many articles recently that really go in depth.
Brett Howse - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
I did a full article on the Windows 10 Technical Preview already http://www.anandtech.com/show/8705/windows-10-tech...We'll go more in depth with this release once we get the bits to run and dig into. I am looking forward to seeing the changes from the last build which is pretty buggy.
Brett Howse - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Trust me I wanted to be there!Mr Perfect - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Wait, why would you want livebogging instead of a real article? Liveblogging is used where there isn't time to write a proper article, complete with good stuff like paragraphs, spell checking and other editing.This was a nicely done piece. If it had looked like a Twitter feed, I personally wouldn't have bothered reading it. But, eh, here you go: article live-bloggified.
05:46PM EST - Windows 10 event is starting, announcer walked on stage. Slob next to me woke up, my arm is still damp from his drool.
05:47PM EST - Windows 10 free upgrade to 7 and 8 users.
05:47PM EST - Gasps and muttering from crowd. Someone fainted.
05:48PM EST - Cortana is on the desktop now, it's totally not Siri.
05:49PM EST - Universal Apps are a thing.
05:50PM EST - MS is working on Project Satan, if you're run over will turn you into a werecar.
05:51PM EST - PC and XBox can play together, much platform trash talking in audience.
05:52PM EST - Minority report computer!!1
dananski - Sunday, January 25, 2015 - link
Hehe.. Futurama reference...plopke - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Does this mean there arent going home / pro / enterprise versions? And if so to what does a windows 7 ultimate or windows 8.1 pro upgrades 2?jeffkibuule - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Actual SKU discussions have always come closer to launch, but I'd expect the usual Core / Pro / Enterprise assortment.Da W - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Can't wait to hear what the naysayer have to say about it.toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
I would prefer to not have my PC listen for a key word while I masturbate!damianrobertjones - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Then turn that option off.tracyfreeman - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
The only way to for Microsoft to make a comeback is by first repairing customer relationships from angry people like me first! Now they need to give me a refund for www.detoxyourpc.com to fix how slow mine was! If they want to make upgrades free, they should really make their apology mean something by giving refunds.garbagedisposal - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
lmfao you clown. they should come to your home, cook you a meal, and read you a story too.futrtrubl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Be kind, they managed to disguise a spam post as actually contributing. That takes some skill.Notmyusualid - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
I did wonder if I was the only one to spot that....damianrobertjones - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Are you serious or is this just an add for that page? OEMs ship their computers will a lot of rubbish but you do have the option of buying from MS with all of that stripped out.P.s. Yeah... the above post must be spam.
Blassster - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Hoping it will let you enter a W7 key during installation for a completely fresh W10, rather than installing on top of W7.dragonsqrrl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Unfortunately it hasn't worked this way since xp, so I would be really surprised if you could do that.Paul Tarnowski - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Eh? I got an upgrade key when I moved to Windows 8 from XP.Of course, I'm not allowed to install 8.1 for some damn reason using the same key and have to install it from the store. Now that's messed up.
mr_tawan - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
MS has update their 8.1 installer media, it accepts windows 8 key now.But seriously they should use only Windows 8 key for both versions.
Paul Tarnowski - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Hallelujah and pass the ammunition!Where in hell was this thing when I was reinstalling Win 8.1 a few months ago.
Link: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/creat...
Visual - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
Even before that update, they released some generic keys that can always work during installation, without activating it, and later you activate with your real key.dragonsqrrl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
... I think you're talking about something else. Blassster was referring to the installation process for an upgrade license. Back in the XP days all you needed was an existing key for a current or older version of Windows. Starting with Vista an upgrade license required that you had an existing Windows installation on the system you were upgrading, which is more restrictive. You couldn't simply enter an existing key and install an upgrade license on a fresh system. Does Windows 8 upgrade work differently?Blassster - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
There are ways to do it with 7 and 8.http://winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/clean-in...
http://lifehacker.com/5984278/how-to-do-a-clean-in...
Blassster - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
... but yeah - not by directly entering an old key, just workarounds to get activation. But it would be nice if they made it easier for everyone :)gudomlig - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Windows 10..kinda blah. HoloLens might be really, really interesting if they can implement it right. While VR is cool for games and entertainment augmented reality done right could change our culture as much as the introduction of the internet has. While not generally a huge MS fan I really have some high hopes for the potential of HoloLensZoZo - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
"sudo-virtual"Did you mean pseudo? Or that we should feel like super-users by wearing them?
Brett Howse - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Let me use my sudo su powers to make you forget that typo :)wiz329 - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
hahahahah, yes!ORabbit - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
I'm a bit concerned that trying to be all things on all platforms will result in a gargantuan, bloated mess. I'm sure people won't be thrilled to have their 128 GB SSD almost filled by Windows 10! Any word on that?plopke - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
I am not sure why you would think windows 10 comes with a lot larger install base, they made it just like windows 8.1 to be able to run the desktop version on tablets/laptops/desktops and now also some variant on phone. My virtual machine installment of one of the preview build is using around 18 GB atm, after installing visual studio. I watched the broadcast today and the 4 major components not fully avaible yet in the build are : xboxlive integeration , cortanna , the new IE and holostuff. Even if they all come default integrated that shouldnt add much more to the install. But we will find out in the next preview builds.Gigaplex - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
"My virtual machine installment of one of the preview build is using around 18 GB atm, after installing visual studio"I don't believe you. When I did a fresh install of Windows 10 preview, it was around 30GB straight off the bat. Installing Visual Studio on top of that added another 10GB or so.
redviper - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
If you paid attention to the build notes you would know that there was a bug in 9841 that caused the driver folder to blow up resulting in about 30 GB of storage.The bug is fixed in 9879 and I am assuming in the 992x builds they are releasing next week.
inighthawki - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
I've never had a Windows installation take up that much space on a fresh install.backbydemand - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Yeah, let's just push out an unsubstantiated rumour about install size, when the cost of SSDs is at an all-time low. It wasn't important when Windows 7 came out, or Windows 8, or 8.1. If it really bums you out use the money saved from not having to actually buy it on a bigger SSD.ORabbit - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
I was just asking if install size was addressed, or if is a priority to keep it small. Just asking for clarification, not starting rumors. I'm concerned based on Windows 7 taking up 50+ GB at this point on my machine. I haven't paid attention to my Windows 8.1 disk size, as it's just the family living room computer. It would be great if Windows made an effort to combat bloat.mkozakewich - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
All operating systems will bloat over time. They've done some work recently to change the way Windows 8 stores its operating files, so they can compress it down a bunch.After two years, my Windows folder on Win 8.1 is 20.5 GB.
Notmyusualid - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Indeed, for me also, less is more.WaitingForNehalem - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Microsoft has been becoming an awesome company lately. Looks like their CEO is doing lots of good. The open-sourcing of .NET was another huge deal.iLovefloss - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
He's certainly more forward looking. Windows 10 is certainly looking to be a more refined version of Windows 8.x, and with the way Microsoft is planning to roll out Windows 10, I believe they are readying to kill Windows 7 dead before it becomes super entrenched like Windows XP had.WaitingForNehalem - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Also Ubuntu is trying to do the something but I doubt they'll come anywhere close to thisGigaplex - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Once again it sounds like Microsoft is abandoning the existing users of Windows Phone similar to how they (mis)managed the transition from 7.5 to 8.jeffkibuule - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
All Windows Phone 8.1 devices are upgradeable to Windows 10.Triogap - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
What!? Where did you get that idea? All phones currently able to run Windows Phone 8.1, essentialy all phones that where released with Windows Phone 8.0 or up, will be getting a free upgrade to Windows 10.inighthawki - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Yeah, that was one of the biggest points in the live feed. All 7, 8, and Phone 8 devices will get a free upgrade to 10.tdslam720 - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
Signed up to say how dissapointing it was that Anand is barely giving this event any attention. No liveblog, no in depth analysis. Sad day when The Verge is becoming my go to when I want fresh tech articles.dragonsqrrl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
... wow that is pretty sad.mkozakewich - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
i cri evertimbeginner99 - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
This sounds great. I hope they really deliver as promised.dragonsqrrl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
"Once devices are updated to Windows 10, they will be kept current for the lifetime of the device"I've read this several times now, not just on Anandtech, but what does it mean exactly? Will these free upgrade licenses be treated differently than a regular 10 license in terms of support? I find it strange that they specify lifetime of your "device" instead of the lifetime of the OS, which is what I would expect.
Mushkins - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
"the lifetime of the device" is the standard OEM license agreement. Basically they're saying that you have OEM right to windows 10 through the upgrade, it's tied to that specific machine for the life of the machine. You cannot transfer that windows 10 license to a brand new machine, you have to purchase a new windows license at that point just like any other OEM software.dragonsqrrl - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
It's not an OEM license though, it's an upgrade license, but it's being treated like an OEM license which sucks. Then again you are getting it for free.Pork@III - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Super fast; quite beauty then 8; "HOLO" is vision of future, only trouble for some rumours for to be bound by specific devices and lock their user control...Laxaa - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
Som UI-inconsistencies aside, Windows 10 on phones look pretty great. The prospect of a new flagship by the end of summer is comforting as well, even though it's a bit overdue.Triogap - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
They where clearly waiting for Windows 10. Hopefully this means that Windows 10 is due at the end of the summer as well. And the current flagship Lumia 930 can easily hold it's own against the top of Android or iOS. That it does not sport a SD805 or 810 is non issue. It runs smooth as hell with anything you throw at it.Laxaa - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
True that.My main issue with the 930 is the average battery life and lack of expandable storage. I use Spotify in offline mode and I need a lot of memory to store it all.
tipoo - Thursday, January 22, 2015 - link
I'm looking forward to Anandtech DirectX 12 analysis and benchmarks most of all