Disney is even worse. But yeah the entire entertainment industry has been bending over backwards to match Chinese values, even while trying to cater to SJWs stateside. Pretty hilarious to watch the inevitable collision. The recent South Park episode was an instant classic too... even if it did get them completely wiped from existence in China.
I don't think China ever approved South Park for domestic release. The censorship there, for the recent 2 decades, hardly allows satire of any kind much less something that blunt. Whoever watched South Park in China has always done so through illegal downloads, and counterfeit DVD initially.
US labor is far too expensive. Shareholders and private owners seek to maximize profits so the US is simply not a good location in which to engage in most production activities while it remains less costly to produce and transport from elsewhere.
Of course US labor is expensive along with all the rules and regulations that go with it, how about we lower our standards and minimum wages to the same levels as these countries that don't care about their human rights, labor rights, environmental laws, etc. and have the tax payer funded government subsidies American businesses like China does, so we can have our cheap stuff made here, don't think that will go over to well with the virtue signaling self entitled public though,
And these same outsource loving companies that would sell their own mothers for profit want the tax payer funded American government to protect their corporate rights and profits including sending young men and women to war for them to protect their interests, while expecting the American consumer to work two or more jobs in the gig economy to buy their products.
Maybe they should just outsource their corporate charters to these foreign countries they love so much and have them protect their corporate rights and profits while trying to sell to the locals at the same prices as if they are selling to the American consumer that has been brainwashed to think only about the price they pay now not at the political, human rights and environmental costs that are much greater which are coming home to roost now.
Couldn't agree more. We are unable to compete with other countries all the while promoting things like "fight for $15", paying carbon credits, adding more useless bits on the auto industry while ignoring diminishing returns started three decades ago, and any number of nickel and dime government schemes that increases the cost for everyday Americans yet price their labor out of the market, opening the door for illegal immigration and increased H1B visas.
Yes, decrease regulation and let the market decide what a person is paid so we can compete globally.
Canada and Germany do fine in manufacturing by not having broken health care systems. Regulations are not the issue you think they are - Regardless of the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans entering the market last century, the decline of manufacturing employment was a smooth line tracking downwards based on automation.
The Chinese themselves are tracking down now, automation again, and supporting the economy with public funded debt. Sound familiar at all?
This sounds like something right out of Neuromancer or anything of the Sprawl series by Gibson. Which isn't a surprise. It's where we're going with a break down of international borders and oligarchic elite.
Labour costs add almost nothing to the final cost for most electronic devices, like $2 at the high end. Where North America can't compete is with raw material processing and transportation, in most of Asia the place making the PCB's is right next door to the company making the board components, who is parked behind the aluminium smelter making the cases who is adjacent to the guys making the LCD and the Glass. From raw material to finished product your are shipping components less than 50km and everything is "Locally Sourced" makes for a very clean distribution channel that is cheap and easy to manage. The logistics of manufacturing in the US is messy and uggly requiring a lot of expensive raw material importing and processing that you aren't set up for. North America has been subsidising and heavily investing in Asian manufacturing capabilities for coming up on 70 years, that gives them a headstart that will take decades of active investment and hundreds of billions in investment to match let alone surpass.
"I suspect the real reason is China became too expensive."
That's why I find the "trade war" so ridiculous. It's just too little too late. It comes at a time China has essentially established their equivalent of a middle class and production costs have skyrocketed compared to 20 years ago when the United States SHOULD have done something about currency manipulation, IP theft and undercutting the region using anti competitive tactics.
The trade war now doesn't matter. Production was bound to leave China anyway. India, you're up.
The problem was that 20 years ago all the presidents cared about was getting reelected. Trump cares more about what happens to the economy. That was what he campaigned on. I don't care for him, but I agree that it's way past time someone put some screws to China. It should have been Clinton, however, or the first Bush. Maybe even Reagan.but he was still dealing with the Soviet Union and East Germany. China was WAY down the list back then.
You're betraying your age. China was our friends then, essential strategic partners and we opened up to them thinking they would democratize, counting on Hong Kong in fact. Instead, they elected a dictator for life and created the first all-digital surveillance state, without religious freedom, freedom of speech or even financial freedom. They're not communist anymore, but are more like fascism than democracy.
The Republicans themselves were wrong about China over the years of making money there, and now Trump is going to cut a weak deal anyway, because he doesn't really care about freedom of religion or any principles at all.
China hasn't become too expensive what is going on is that new plants need to be built to keep up, new machines new manufacturing processes each of these drive costs down. If you had to build a new building right now to make these things there are far more attractive places than China right now, India, Vietnam, Korea, just to name a few. Even at higher wages the new plants will run cheaper because of more automation and more efficient processes. The fact your stuff is less likely to be stolen and cloned is just a bonus.
I suspect Thailand, Philippines (Trump loves Duterte) and Malaysia will benefit most in the region. Perhaps even India. But I doubt we're talking South Korea or Japan...
As said, "Pride Comes B4 A Fall". "The-Chinese" were gifted their culture by 2 Divine Personalities. Namely, "Confucius"/The-Visible & "Lao-Tze"/The-Invisible with The-Rest being Of-Superstition/"Religiosities"/Belief-System.
"China" and Its Close-Neighbour, "India" have large-populations because The-Living" lives-off "Respect" [with "The-Living-but-Dead" surviving via "DisRespecting Everythang That Moves". In additon to being "Masters of Everythang That Does NOT Move"].
When "China" & "India" begin To DisRespect/Deploy-Mental-Energy, that is when their "populations" will decline. "Western"/DisRespectful Valuation depends on being "A Distant Critique" - the reason why "Western" influence will diminish [to become "Fear"]. You know, when "Chinese & Indian" Mental-Influence becomes The New Greed on-The-Block.
There is NO such thing as "Truth/Reality when there is "Energy-Transformation"/Pro-vs-Con/"Democracy-in-progress". For the simple reason that The-ONLY "Energy-Creator"/Real-Capitalist/"He" exists - as The-ONLY "Expression-of-Love"/Real-Socialist/"She". Witness, therefore, how The-Duality-of-Nature/"Hypocrites" behave as if "they" are The-Singularity-of-Nature/Real. You know, when "Energy-Transformers" behave as if "they" are "Energy-Creators" [of Sorts].
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JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
In other news, Blizzard shifts game content values towards China.willis936 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
And Apple shifts software distribution values towards China.And NBA shifts player speech values towards China.
Alexvrb - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
Disney is even worse. But yeah the entire entertainment industry has been bending over backwards to match Chinese values, even while trying to cater to SJWs stateside. Pretty hilarious to watch the inevitable collision. The recent South Park episode was an instant classic too... even if it did get them completely wiped from existence in China.s.yu - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
I don't think China ever approved South Park for domestic release. The censorship there, for the recent 2 decades, hardly allows satire of any kind much less something that blunt.Whoever watched South Park in China has always done so through illegal downloads, and counterfeit DVD initially.
SigmundEXactos - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
Of course, manufacturing is not coming to the US but other SE Asian countries like Vietnam.sorten - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
True. Manufacturing won't move back to North America until it is almost completely automated.PeachNCream - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
US labor is far too expensive. Shareholders and private owners seek to maximize profits so the US is simply not a good location in which to engage in most production activities while it remains less costly to produce and transport from elsewhere.1prophet - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
Of course US labor is expensive along with all the rules and regulations that go with it, how about we lower our standards and minimum wages to the same levels as these countries that don't care about their human rights, labor rights, environmental laws, etc. and have the tax payer funded government subsidies American businesses like China does, so we can have our cheap stuff made here, don't think that will go over to well with the virtue signaling self entitled public though,And these same outsource loving companies that would sell their own mothers for profit want the tax payer funded American government to protect their corporate rights and profits including sending young men and women to war for them to protect their interests, while expecting the American consumer to work two or more jobs in the gig economy to buy their products.
Maybe they should just outsource their corporate charters to these foreign countries they love so much and have them protect their corporate rights and profits while trying to sell to the locals at the same prices as if they are selling to the American consumer that has been brainwashed to think only about the price they pay now not at the political, human rights and environmental costs that are much greater which are coming home to roost now.
PeachNCream - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
Yes, okay.Tewt - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
Couldn't agree more. We are unable to compete with other countries all the while promoting things like "fight for $15", paying carbon credits, adding more useless bits on the auto industry while ignoring diminishing returns started three decades ago, and any number of nickel and dime government schemes that increases the cost for everyday Americans yet price their labor out of the market, opening the door for illegal immigration and increased H1B visas.Yes, decrease regulation and let the market decide what a person is paid so we can compete globally.
nico_mach - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Canada and Germany do fine in manufacturing by not having broken health care systems. Regulations are not the issue you think they are - Regardless of the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans entering the market last century, the decline of manufacturing employment was a smooth line tracking downwards based on automation.The Chinese themselves are tracking down now, automation again, and supporting the economy with public funded debt. Sound familiar at all?
teldar - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
This sounds like something right out of Neuromancer or anything of the Sprawl series by Gibson. Which isn't a surprise. It's where we're going with a break down of international borders and oligarchic elite.Lakados - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Labour costs add almost nothing to the final cost for most electronic devices, like $2 at the high end. Where North America can't compete is with raw material processing and transportation, in most of Asia the place making the PCB's is right next door to the company making the board components, who is parked behind the aluminium smelter making the cases who is adjacent to the guys making the LCD and the Glass. From raw material to finished product your are shipping components less than 50km and everything is "Locally Sourced" makes for a very clean distribution channel that is cheap and easy to manage. The logistics of manufacturing in the US is messy and uggly requiring a lot of expensive raw material importing and processing that you aren't set up for. North America has been subsidising and heavily investing in Asian manufacturing capabilities for coming up on 70 years, that gives them a headstart that will take decades of active investment and hundreds of billions in investment to match let alone surpass.BedfordTim - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
I suspect the real reason is China became too expensive.Samus - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
"I suspect the real reason is China became too expensive."That's why I find the "trade war" so ridiculous. It's just too little too late. It comes at a time China has essentially established their equivalent of a middle class and production costs have skyrocketed compared to 20 years ago when the United States SHOULD have done something about currency manipulation, IP theft and undercutting the region using anti competitive tactics.
The trade war now doesn't matter. Production was bound to leave China anyway. India, you're up.
teldar - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
The problem was that 20 years ago all the presidents cared about was getting reelected. Trump cares more about what happens to the economy. That was what he campaigned on. I don't care for him, but I agree that it's way past time someone put some screws to China. It should have been Clinton, however, or the first Bush. Maybe even Reagan.but he was still dealing with the Soviet Union and East Germany. China was WAY down the list back then.nico_mach - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
You're betraying your age. China was our friends then, essential strategic partners and we opened up to them thinking they would democratize, counting on Hong Kong in fact. Instead, they elected a dictator for life and created the first all-digital surveillance state, without religious freedom, freedom of speech or even financial freedom. They're not communist anymore, but are more like fascism than democracy.The Republicans themselves were wrong about China over the years of making money there, and now Trump is going to cut a weak deal anyway, because he doesn't really care about freedom of religion or any principles at all.
Lakados - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
China hasn't become too expensive what is going on is that new plants need to be built to keep up, new machines new manufacturing processes each of these drive costs down. If you had to build a new building right now to make these things there are far more attractive places than China right now, India, Vietnam, Korea, just to name a few. Even at higher wages the new plants will run cheaper because of more automation and more efficient processes. The fact your stuff is less likely to be stolen and cloned is just a bonus.Samus - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
I suspect Thailand, Philippines (Trump loves Duterte) and Malaysia will benefit most in the region. Perhaps even India. But I doubt we're talking South Korea or Japan...vishwa108 - Monday, October 21, 2019 - link
As said, "Pride Comes B4 A Fall". "The-Chinese" were gifted their culture by 2 Divine Personalities. Namely, "Confucius"/The-Visible & "Lao-Tze"/The-Invisible with The-Rest being Of-Superstition/"Religiosities"/Belief-System."China" and Its Close-Neighbour, "India" have large-populations because The-Living" lives-off "Respect" [with "The-Living-but-Dead" surviving via "DisRespecting Everythang That Moves". In additon to being "Masters of Everythang That Does NOT Move"].
When "China" & "India" begin To DisRespect/Deploy-Mental-Energy, that is when their "populations" will decline. "Western"/DisRespectful Valuation depends on being "A Distant Critique" - the reason why "Western" influence will diminish [to become "Fear"]. You know, when "Chinese & Indian" Mental-Influence becomes The New Greed on-The-Block.
There is NO such thing as "Truth/Reality when there is "Energy-Transformation"/Pro-vs-Con/"Democracy-in-progress". For the simple reason that The-ONLY "Energy-Creator"/Real-Capitalist/"He" exists - as The-ONLY "Expression-of-Love"/Real-Socialist/"She". Witness, therefore, how The-Duality-of-Nature/"Hypocrites" behave as if "they" are The-Singularity-of-Nature/Real. You know, when "Energy-Transformers" behave as if "they" are "Energy-Creators" [of Sorts].