Where are all the USB-C ports from these new X570 boards. I don't think I've seen any with more than 1.
I don't want to replace all of the USB-A's, but how about giving us like 2, 3 or even 4 USB-C's so that we don't need to unplug our external USB-C SSD when plugging in another USB-C device?
For my ITX build, the choice was obvious: buy a RTX GPU for one more USB-C. Well, I was looking to upgrade from my old 780Ti anyways.
It is a lot of traces to route for one connector. For a full USB 3.2 2x2 super duper max PD with Knuckles connection, it's 4x the number of high speed differential pairs (vs plain old USB 3.0), and it still has the old 2.0 data pair. 20 pins, basically, 8 of which will have higher trace-routing requirements. Though I cannot imagine it being much worse than HDMI or DP, and motherboards seem to have plenty of those (even stacked connectors).
I admit an added bonus of getting 2080TI (two of them for prosumer & deep-learning work purposes) was an additional USB-C port primarily for my Rift & next-gen headset (that became Valve Index Headset, but it makes no sense fort motherboards to not replace USB 3.2 2x2 with Thunderbolt 3 in 2019.
USB4 is converging w/ Thunderbolt 3 since it is now royal-free and Thunderbolt 3 will ensure you have the maximum speeds possible for devices that do need that speed.
If that would go at the cost of any of the USB-A ports, I would be rather unhappy with that. Between all my daily-use devices, I really don't have any ports to spare.
Mouse, Keyboard (x2, one for a Hub), USB Headset, Gamepad, and a TV Tuner. Of course I could use a hub, but ... so could you?
Actually, that's not such an amazing idea. You see, USB-C was designed to do things like charge laptops. I don't think any MBs could do that, but I've never tried to look into it either. OTOH, USB 2.0 ports deliver a measly 0.5A whereas for USB 3.0 its 1A. This is much easier to manufacturer, buy, and plug into your power strip then a big transformer for 15W plus for USB C.
Yes, zepi, I also noticed that there is only 1 USB C port but until it can deliver the full spec worth of power I don't see any advantage to adding another.
USB C to Type A is not acceptable to take advantage of what USB-C enables that USB-A will never shouldn't have. USB4 hopefully puts an end to USB-A connector, and AFAIK it did.
USB-C was made to outright replace USB-A for a variety of more reasons than laptops. It's meant to be actually reverse connectable and be universally & strategically wide-spread with other standards to be more ubiquitous than other USB efforts to date in that regard.
Thunderbolt 3 was the next gen protocol to capitalize on the new form factor that is not royally free that also led to its next-gen features being the highest tier of USB4 that was finalized as a standard late last year or this year.
Hi, that makes no sense: You can just use a USB-A to USB-C adapter. Motherboards should give you all Thunderbolt 3 ports + have 1-2 USB-A adapters thrown in the motherboard (new motherboards throw all sorts of adapters in the box that are far less useful like DVI adapters)
Adapter is a more minimal equivalent probably more appropriate for most cases. USB-PD is something I use all the time w/ my Thunderbolt 3 port on my motherboard (Maximus VIII Extreme)
I agree. For those saying "get an adapter", that's not the right way tot take it. USB-C has higher power delivery than the old A connector. Just putting an adapter on an A port to make it into a C port won't deliver enough power for some devices. However, using an adapter to make a C port into an A port will deliver all that power, more than an A device could pull. The users of C devices on a board with all A ports would be at a serious disadvantage with having to use adapters for A ports. In reality, they'd have to use powered hubs, costing much more than simple adapters, and then those ports share bandwidth because of the hub. Whereas users of A devices on a board with all C ports would have a much lesser disadvantage, with just having to buy port adapters or cables, and would not have to worry about not having enough bandwidth or power delivery. Those telling USB-C promoters to "just get an adapter" is remarkably selfish.
the USB-C ports are obviously superior, smaller, reversible, higher durability, better power delivery, and more future proof, so it is the obvious choice for new motherboards, but motherboard makers are resisting because of minor costs. It costs maybe an extra dollar to replace 4 USB-A ports with USB-C ports in terms of parts and labor. The accountants don't like it. The first motherboard maker to start putting more USB-C ports on their boards will sell more boards, plain and simple. They just have to start doing so. It's going to happen. Don't be a jerk about keeping an old port.
USB-A to USB-c hub: Doesn't even freaking exist! After several pages of USB hubs on Amazon, I could not find ONE USB hub that had a downstream USB-C port.
So, users of USB-A devices have it easy, for now. Stop being selfish.
As much as I dislike USB Type A because of the reversibility issue USB-C is in fact terribad still.
Why?
Because almost all USB C devices i use other than phones are extremely loose, so much that the weight of the cable is sometimes enough to dislodge and any untoward movement. I'd rather use USB Type A connector because of this.
tl;dw: USB-C is several times more expensive than USB-A, and cabling (in particular) for these devices are literally hand-made in factories by skilled workers. A motherboard with all USB-C ports would likely be $50 or more expensive than the usual all USB-A motherboards.
Extremely few individuals would be buying these products, because the cost justification isn't there for most individuals. (Consider that even among the relatively uncommon users that do build custom PCs, the bulk of parts are from lower-end products, such as B450 motherboards as opposed to X470 motherboards, etc.)
If you want Thunderbolt 3 that badly, just buy your $100 add-in card that literally has 2x 8-pin PCI-e power ports. You sound like you're happy paying a price premium, but can somehow only afford to post on free news articles about first-world problems. amzn.com/dp/B07GBZL93X/
"Also featured are seven USB 3.1 G2 Type-A, one USB 3.1 G2 Type-C, and four USB 3.1 G1 Type-A ports on the rear panel"
I know it's early Monday morning, but I don't see 12 USB ports on the back of the X570-E (only 8 including that Type-C port). Similarly, the X570-F doesn't have as many as you state. Were you combining motherboard headers or something into these or have I just not had my morning coffee yet?
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zepi - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Where are all the USB-C ports from these new X570 boards. I don't think I've seen any with more than 1.I don't want to replace all of the USB-A's, but how about giving us like 2, 3 or even 4 USB-C's so that we don't need to unplug our external USB-C SSD when plugging in another USB-C device?
jeremyshaw - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
For my ITX build, the choice was obvious: buy a RTX GPU for one more USB-C.Well, I was looking to upgrade from my old 780Ti anyways.
It is a lot of traces to route for one connector. For a full USB 3.2 2x2 super duper max PD with Knuckles connection, it's 4x the number of high speed differential pairs (vs plain old USB 3.0), and it still has the old 2.0 data pair. 20 pins, basically, 8 of which will have higher trace-routing requirements. Though I cannot imagine it being much worse than HDMI or DP, and motherboards seem to have plenty of those (even stacked connectors).
lilkwarrior - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
I admit an added bonus of getting 2080TI (two of them for prosumer & deep-learning work purposes) was an additional USB-C port primarily for my Rift & next-gen headset (that became Valve Index Headset, but it makes no sense fort motherboards to not replace USB 3.2 2x2 with Thunderbolt 3 in 2019.USB4 is converging w/ Thunderbolt 3 since it is now royal-free and Thunderbolt 3 will ensure you have the maximum speeds possible for devices that do need that speed.
nevcairiel - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
If that would go at the cost of any of the USB-A ports, I would be rather unhappy with that.Between all my daily-use devices, I really don't have any ports to spare.
Mouse, Keyboard (x2, one for a Hub), USB Headset, Gamepad, and a TV Tuner.
Of course I could use a hub, but ... so could you?
ballsystemlord - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Actually, that's not such an amazing idea. You see, USB-C was designed to do things like charge laptops. I don't think any MBs could do that, but I've never tried to look into it either.OTOH, USB 2.0 ports deliver a measly 0.5A whereas for USB 3.0 its 1A. This is much easier to manufacturer, buy, and plug into your power strip then a big transformer for 15W plus for USB C.
Yes, zepi, I also noticed that there is only 1 USB C port but until it can deliver the full spec worth of power I don't see any advantage to adding another.
Koenig168 - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Type A-connector devices are far more common. If you do need USB-C, you can just use a USB C-to-Type A adapter.lilkwarrior - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
USB C to Type A is not acceptable to take advantage of what USB-C enables that USB-A will never shouldn't have. USB4 hopefully puts an end to USB-A connector, and AFAIK it did.lilkwarrior - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
USB-C was made to outright replace USB-A for a variety of more reasons than laptops. It's meant to be actually reverse connectable and be universally & strategically wide-spread with other standards to be more ubiquitous than other USB efforts to date in that regard.Thunderbolt 3 was the next gen protocol to capitalize on the new form factor that is not royally free that also led to its next-gen features being the highest tier of USB4 that was finalized as a standard late last year or this year.
lilkwarrior - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
Hi, that makes no sense: You can just use a USB-A to USB-C adapter. Motherboards should give you all Thunderbolt 3 ports + have 1-2 USB-A adapters thrown in the motherboard (new motherboards throw all sorts of adapters in the box that are far less useful like DVI adapters)wilsonkf - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
You can buy a USB-A to C cable.No, USB-PD will not be available, but you are not going to do that through your computer anyway.
lilkwarrior - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
Adapter is a more minimal equivalent probably more appropriate for most cases. USB-PD is something I use all the time w/ my Thunderbolt 3 port on my motherboard (Maximus VIII Extreme)Ej24 - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
Uhh my laptop usb-c port is capable of USB-Pd to my pixel 3 xl. The usb-c on my b450m pro4 is also capable of PD.kn00tcn - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
i presume it's expensive it multiple ways including manual labor or factory time https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3453-why-usb-ty...dgingeri - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
I agree. For those saying "get an adapter", that's not the right way tot take it. USB-C has higher power delivery than the old A connector. Just putting an adapter on an A port to make it into a C port won't deliver enough power for some devices. However, using an adapter to make a C port into an A port will deliver all that power, more than an A device could pull. The users of C devices on a board with all A ports would be at a serious disadvantage with having to use adapters for A ports. In reality, they'd have to use powered hubs, costing much more than simple adapters, and then those ports share bandwidth because of the hub. Whereas users of A devices on a board with all C ports would have a much lesser disadvantage, with just having to buy port adapters or cables, and would not have to worry about not having enough bandwidth or power delivery. Those telling USB-C promoters to "just get an adapter" is remarkably selfish.the USB-C ports are obviously superior, smaller, reversible, higher durability, better power delivery, and more future proof, so it is the obvious choice for new motherboards, but motherboard makers are resisting because of minor costs. It costs maybe an extra dollar to replace 4 USB-A ports with USB-C ports in terms of parts and labor. The accountants don't like it. The first motherboard maker to start putting more USB-C ports on their boards will sell more boards, plain and simple. They just have to start doing so. It's going to happen. Don't be a jerk about keeping an old port.
dgingeri - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
To make my point:USB-C to USB-A adapter: $9
https://www.amazon.com/nonda-Adapter-Thunderbolt-A...
USB-C to USB-B 3.0 cable: $9
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Type-C-USB-C-...
USB-C to USB-B 2.0 cable: $9
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Printer-USB-C...
USB-A to USB-c hub: Doesn't even freaking exist! After several pages of USB hubs on Amazon, I could not find ONE USB hub that had a downstream USB-C port.
So, users of USB-A devices have it easy, for now. Stop being selfish.
Diji1 - Sunday, June 2, 2019 - link
>the USB-C ports are obviously superior,As much as I dislike USB Type A because of the reversibility issue USB-C is in fact terribad still.
Why?
Because almost all USB C devices i use other than phones are extremely loose, so much that the weight of the cable is sometimes enough to dislodge and any untoward movement. I'd rather use USB Type A connector because of this.
JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, June 3, 2019 - link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Tmtd51clItl;dw:
USB-C is several times more expensive than USB-A, and cabling (in particular) for these devices are literally hand-made in factories by skilled workers. A motherboard with all USB-C ports would likely be $50 or more expensive than the usual all USB-A motherboards.
Extremely few individuals would be buying these products, because the cost justification isn't there for most individuals. (Consider that even among the relatively uncommon users that do build custom PCs, the bulk of parts are from lower-end products, such as B450 motherboards as opposed to X470 motherboards, etc.)
If you want Thunderbolt 3 that badly, just buy your $100 add-in card that literally has 2x 8-pin PCI-e power ports. You sound like you're happy paying a price premium, but can somehow only afford to post on free news articles about first-world problems.
amzn.com/dp/B07GBZL93X/
Reflex - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Now give us the ROG Strix X570-I, please.Devo2007 - Monday, June 3, 2019 - link
"Also featured are seven USB 3.1 G2 Type-A, one USB 3.1 G2 Type-C, and four USB 3.1 G1 Type-A ports on the rear panel"I know it's early Monday morning, but I don't see 12 USB ports on the back of the X570-E (only 8 including that Type-C port). Similarly, the X570-F doesn't have as many as you state. Were you combining motherboard headers or something into these or have I just not had my morning coffee yet?