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  • lilmoe - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    Bahahahahahaha
    Just when Windows on ARM devices started to show up.

    Love you too, AMD.
  • ddriver - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    Snapdragon performance will be abysmal for anything remotely demanding. Pretty much pointless since non-demanding tasks are already covered by android apps. What android lacks is the demanding prosumer stuff. Which is useless on ultra low power cpus, even more so if running emulated. Making the entire ordeal kinda pointless... but so is a great portion of what the industry is doing anyway.
  • jvl - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    God you're a troll. The whole point of this post is to have Ryzen as the heavy-lifter.

    Seriously, why are you even here? No one values your postings (my firm belief), no one believes anything you blurp out anyway... Damn why do I feed you?
  • Samus - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    I share your beliefs jvl. We all do.
  • ddriver - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    You should totally join up and start a religion around them beliefs ;) The church of idiocracy, with me as the incarnation of evil.
  • negusp - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    He's referring to Snapdragon on Windows. Which was launching under the "always connected" moniker.

    I'll reiterate- why buy a $700 ARM Windows crapbook when ~$4-500 Chromebooks are fully capable of running x86 (sans DirectX) via CrossOver or crouton/Linux? Not to mention full Android app support.
  • niva - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    Because it's running full windows 10, until we actually get our hands on it we don't know how well it's going to run. I'm fairly sure, that in terms of raw throughput, the SD835 isn't any worse than my old Phenom CPU that I ran windows 10 on until last year when my mobo died.

    Chromebooks are useless, crouton sucks, if I have to jump through hoops just to install linux on it it's not worth buying.

    Full windows 10 on a phone, that I can just plop down into a docking station, sounds very appealing, especially for businesses.
  • negusp - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    The SD835 will be leagues slower than your Phenom running x86 software, guaranteed.

    As for Chromebooks, you're talking out of your ass. Crouton works beautifully. If you can't get Crouton running even as an average user you really don't deserve to be using modern computers. Besides, you completely ignored the fact that Chromebooks have access to the entire Android app ecosystem.

    I fully agree with your last point, except for the fact that Microsoft tried and failed to do that with the Elite X2.
  • nobitakun - Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - link

    Amen for that negusp. The most stupid thing ever is seeing Qualcomm trying to run Windows 10. Not even SD845 or SD1000 will be able to run x86 code smoothly. This retarded way of doing things is really astonishing...
  • loa - Friday, December 8, 2017 - link

    I definitely value ddrivers postings.
    Perhaps he is a troll, by some definition of troll.
    But then he is vastly more informed than most other trolls.
    Trolls usually just spew out something like "this is so really bad! Intel/AMD/Nvidia/ Qualcomm just go fuck yourselves!"
    ddriver is actually varied, has different kind of arguments and he can write clearly.
    Yes, sometimes he is way off with his analyses. But even then he is quite entertaining.
    The anandtech forums would be much poorer without ddriver.
  • lilmoe - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    You're far off. Here's the thing, the future in performance is all about more low to mid power cores, not wide cores with huge single threaded performance. Even Apple is realizing this, despite the tireless arguments of iFans here and other places on the web/media.

    Open up task manager, go to the CPU tab, then fire up Microsoft Edge. Watch ALL cores spike at a VERY even rate. THAT's the future. Microsoft was first to get there, then slightly followed by Google with Android (and to some extent, Chrome).

    Even Firefox now is pretty darn multi-threaded and after the newest update has become the BEST browser on Windows. HW-acceleration has amazingly improved. Not as efficient as Edge yet, but WAYYYY more usable as a browser. Chrome isn't even a contest, even on Google's new Youtube website, Chrome lags while Firefox just glides through, while using less resources.

    Heck, even Microsoft's Office 2016 has become WAY more multi-threaded and hardware accelerated. It just keeps getting better, faster and smoother with each update.

    Better, more efficient parallel programming and better, more efficient resource utilization is the future of operating systems and applications. I expect in the near future that these current ARM SoCs will fair better user experience than current Intel Core M offerings, because of more cores, better interconnects and BETTER GPUs (which is KEY to a better UX).

    Intel has realized this and are starting to add more cores, and also invest heavily and much more seriously in GPUs through whatever means.

    In my opinion, Windows on ARM has little need to the little cores in big.LITTLE on these form factors. An 8 core Cortex A75 SoC with a massive GPU WILL WIPE THE FLOOR with current (or even future) Core M processors, and give 15w Intel CPUs a run for their money.

    Here's the thing though! Intel and ARM don't exist in a vacuum. The biggest elephant in the (muti-threaded, better GPU) room is AMD. Ryzen Mobile WILL be significantly more power efficient than Intel Core, with a GPU both Intel and Qualcomm can't even touch, and an interconnect (fabric) that might give ARM's CCI a good run for its money.

    If AMD can work a deal with Qualcomm, or even Samsung, to integrate a 4G/5G modem into Rizen Mobile, then ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner, THE winner actually.
  • xype - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link

    "You're far off. Here's the thing, the future in performance is all about more low to mid power cores, not wide cores with huge single threaded performance. Even Apple is realizing this, despite the tireless arguments of iFans here and other places on the web/media."

    Yeah, that’s why the A11 has 12 low to mid power cores, instead of 2 monster single thread performance cores and 4 low power cores. Funny how no one noticed that, amirite?
  • HStewart - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    Important to notice that it not the same 5G version that is included with Windows for ARM

    Qualcomm is holding them only too their own chips.
  • Someguyperson - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    Qualcomm doesn't have a 5G modem in any commercial device because there aren't any 5G networks yet. Qualcomm said 5G was going to be available in the 1H 2019. This was just an announcement that the two would work together, there are no hard products announced in this partnership, so your comment is completely pointless.
  • Krysto - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    So when does Qualcomm finally buy AMD - just like it wanted in 2015, before the Snapdragon 810 sales fiasco derailed the deal?
  • mdriftmeyer - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    Like never. Qualcomm will be swallowed up and piece wise gutted by Broadcom.
  • Morawka - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    yeah this is the end of qualcomm.. they are putting to much of their focus on running ARM on windows. With Intel releasing Gigabit LTE modems later this year, and apple ditching qualcomm all-togather, qualcomm will be stuck fighting for scraps and paying expensive legal bills for their non-competitive monopolistic behavior.

    They had a good run, and they have some good engineers who make great modems, but they cant catch up with apple in SOC performance. When intel/amd/apple all start opening up their designs/fabs/customer base we are gonna see qualcomm kick the can.
  • nitin213 - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    "hey cant catch up with apple in SOC performance" --- ever tried using an android phone? despite iOS tightly integrated with Ax chips, the battery life for the iphone sucks in comparison to phones on QCOM chips. dont mistake better ecosystem on iOS for a better ARM chip.
  • aebiv - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    Wrong. The battery life on the iPhone when compared to a phone of equal size and battery, is excellent. Comparing the small iPhone to an Android phone with 50% more battery capacity is ridiculous.

    You could also, you know, read this site. They've done some quite subjective SoC testing.
  • aebiv - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    *Objective. No coffee yet.
  • Morawka - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    Look at Synthetic benchmarks, they aren't even in the same class. While synthetic's don't always equate to real-world performance, the difference is so drastic between Qualcomm's Flagship and Apples Flagship that it shows up in real-world use in virtually every category.

    https://www.androidauthority.com/why-are-apples-ch...
  • ddrіver - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link

    Apple has the fastest cores for consumers currently. And even as a SoC with smaller core count, the A* SoCs are ahead or at least keeping up with Qualcomm, Smasung, or Mediatek SoCs. Even the battery life is comparable and if you consider the batteries are half the size of those in many Android phones that's quite an achievement.

    There's no way Apple will be beaten in this regard anytime soon. Having end to end control gives you an advantage that's hard to beat. And remember that MS has also tried when it came to battery life and never could get better life that the perfectly equivalent hardware coming from Apple.
  • xype - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link

    "dont mistake better ecosystem on iOS for a better ARM chip."

    No one sane is doing that. Everyone knows that the better ARM chip stuff comes from Apple having the better ARM chip.
  • smilingcrow - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link

    My Dell Latitude 7370 shipped with a Qualcomm 4G card which I sold for about 15% of the cost of the laptop which was a bonus.
  • lefty2 - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    So, does the current Ryzen APU work with Qualcomm's modems, or is it a future product?
  • rocketbuddha - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    I think it is more for the future. We can say AMD already has a partnership with QCOM. The 2 WLAN chipset providers for AMD laptop platform for a while are
    a) Broadcom
    b) Atheros (owned by QCOM)

    This time we are also seeing the 4G/5G Modem chipset partnership. Which is perfect. This would mean that HP has plans to push Ryzen into corporate laptops. I used to joke that for Intel to one up QCOM in the LTE world, their modem division should be agnositc and partner with AMD, NVIDIA and everyone else to push their WLAN+LTE chipset combo and make it ubiquitous second choice....
  • HStewart - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    HP in corporate - most HP laptop are purchase by end consumers. Dell and Thinkpads ( lesser now since away from IBM ) are primary in corporations.

    Plus Ryzen needs some time in market before it trusted in corporate world.
  • rocketbuddha - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    When it was CPQ, there was a huge corporate presence. My first few laptops were CPQ Armadas. HP's Probook's predeccessor (I do not remember the branding) was not as good and CPQ customers went to DELL Latitude series.

    Since 2005, I have had only DELL laptops across the 3 companies I have worked in.
    But AMD had a presence in SMB space of HP...
  • HStewart - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 - link

    I believe AMD only works with existing Qualcomm 4G - according to Qualcomm presentation, it appears 5G is currently for Qualcomm SOC's only.
  • BillBear - Thursday, December 7, 2017 - link

    Having AMD return from the grave sure does make tech much more interesting.
  • xace143 - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link

    No one sane is doing that. Everyone knows that the better ARM chip stuff comes from Apple having the better ARM chip.
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