AMD's A10-5750M Review, Part 1: The APU and Radeon HD 8650G Performance
by Dustin Sklavos on June 28, 2013 12:00 PM ESTIntroducing the AMD A10-5750M and Mobile Richland
As an incremental release, AMD's Richland is a little bit hard to build up enthusiasm for. Architecturally almost identical to its predecessor, Trinity, Richland's chief refinement is a substantial improvement on its implementation of AMD's Turbo Core technology. Richland is able to manage its power states with finer granularity, which allows AMD to in some cases substantially beef up the clocks that the CPU and GPU halves of the chip can hit.
On the flipside, despite the branding shenanigans going on at AMD, we're still fundamentally dealing with the same architecture as Trinity. That means one or two Piledriver CPU modules paired up with VLIW4 GPU clusters. It's a little bizarre that we saw Kabini and Temash first, since those chips marry AMD's updated Jaguar low-power CPU architecture with their current generation GCN GPU architecture; Richland is essentially old technology that's seen a healthy refinement. The market segments that Kabini and Temash serve are the fastest growing, so it's understandable, but AMD's "high end" APU architecture looks a little antiquated by comparison.
While desktop Richland has been a little underwhelming, the mobile version should have a lot more teeth. Here's a comparison, generation by generation:
AMD A-Series Mobile APUs (Mainstream TDP) | |||||||||||||
Model | A10-5750M | A10-4600M | A8-5550M | A8-4500M | A6-5350M | A4-4000 | |||||||
Modules/Cores | 2/4 | 2/4 | 2/4 | 2/4 | 1/2 | 1/2 | |||||||
CPU Clock | 2.5 | 2.3 | 2.1 | 1.9 | 2.9 | 2.7 | |||||||
CPU Turbo | 3.5 | 3.2 | 3.1 | 2.8 | 3.5 | 3.2 | |||||||
Graphics | HD 8650G | HD 7660G | HD 8550G | HD 7640G | HD 8450G | HD 7520G | |||||||
GPU Cores | 384 | 384 | 256 | 256 | 192 | 192 | |||||||
GPU Clock | 533 | 496 | 515 | 496 | 533 | 496 | |||||||
GPU Turbo | 720 | 685 | 720 | 685 | 720 | 685 | |||||||
L2 Cache | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 1MB | 1MB | |||||||
Max DDR3 | 1866 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 |
With the new generation, everyone gets a 200MHz bump in CPU base frequency and a much more modest 20-40MHz jump in base GPU clocks. Turbo clocks jump 35MHz on GPUs across the board, nothing to write home about, while CPU turbo clocks jump 300MHz across the board. Since Trinity was chiefly CPU limited, virtually any improvement in core clocks can be a big help. What we really need is for Richland to hit and sustain turbo clocks for longer periods of time, though, and hopefully AMD's improved Turbo Core technology can make up the difference.
Unlike with Trinity, AMD didn't seed Richland reference notebooks to reviewers, so our reference unit is the updated MSI GX60. Part 2 of my review will cover the MSI GX60 specifically, but for now, here's the spec table:
MSI GX60 (2013) Specifications | |
Processor |
AMD A10-5750M (4x2.5GHz, Turbo to 3.5GHz, 32nm, 4MB L2, 35W) |
Chipset | AMD Hudson-3 |
Memory | 2x8GB A-Data DDR3-1600 (originally 1x8GB) |
Graphics |
AMD Radeon HD 8650G (VLIW4; 384 cores; 533/720MHz base/turbo frequencies) AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2GB GDDR5 (GCN; 1280 cores; 850MHz/4.8GHz core/memory; 256-bit memory bus) |
Display |
15.6" LED Matte 16:9 1080p LGD0259 |
Hard Drive(s) | Western Digital Scorpio Black 750GB 7200-RPM SATA 3Gbps HDD |
Optical Drive | TSSTCorp SN-406AB BD-ROM/DVDRW |
Networking |
Killer Networks e2200 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Atheros AR9485WB-EG 2.4GHz 802.11b/g/n Bluetooth 4.0 |
Audio |
Realtek ALC892 HD audio (THX TruStudio Pro) 2.1 speakers Mic, headphone, line-in, and line-out jacks |
Battery | 9-cell, 87Wh |
Front Side | - |
Right Side |
Mic, headphone, line-in, and line-out jacks 1x USB 2.0 Optical drive |
Left Side |
Vent 3x USB 3.0 SD card reader |
Back Side |
Kensington lock AC adapter Ethernet D-SUB Mini-DisplayPort HDMI Vent |
Operating System | Windows 8 64-bit |
Dimensions |
14.97" x 10.24" x 1.77" 380mm x 260mm x 45mm |
Weight |
7.7 lbs 3.49kg |
Extras |
Webcam USB 3.0 Card reader THX TruStudio Pro audio Killer Networks wired networking SteelSeries keyboard |
Warranty | 2-year parts and labor |
Pricing | $1,199 |
Without getting into the details, relevant to testing is that the GX60 actually ships with only one DIMM channel populated. While the CPU isn't heavily affected by operating in single-channel mode, the IGP takes a nearly 50% hit to performance virtually across the board. It also doesn't ship with any solid state storage, so PCMark7 is going to be heavily impacted by the mechanical hard disk. In the second part of this review, when I tackle the GX60 specifically, you'll be able to get a better idea of what the loss of that second DIMM means.
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MrSpadge - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
It's only a joke or disappointment if your expectations have been set far too high.kyuu - Saturday, June 29, 2013 - link
If you're *not* disappointed by desktop Haswell, I'd say your expectations are far too low.Klimax - Sunday, July 7, 2013 - link
No, just knowledge what can be done and what are limitations of computing. (For converse example see GPU which increase performance by significant complexity; we all saw how that worked out with manufacturing and consumption...)Note: I know I am quite late, but too many people comment without understanding.
TGressus - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
"waste heat":P
iamezza - Saturday, June 29, 2013 - link
Desktop Haswell IS a joke, it's clear Intel put very little effort into improving the desktop chips.Mobile Haswell is extremely impressive though, from a battery life point of view.
whyso - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
Wow, that IGP is much worse than I thought it would be. Seems to be roughly 30-50% faster than the ULV HD 4000. That means that its roughly it is as powerful as mobile GT2 HD 4600 ( HD 4000 SV is about 30% faster than ULV HD 4000 and HD 4600 is about 20% faster than HD 4000).AMD needs to release a 45 watt tdp chip for larger performance notebooks.
xenol - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
I was hoping to see some power consumption and temperature observations.MooseMuffin - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
You're disagreeing that desktop Haswell is a joke? Ivy was a bummer too but at least it brought some minor things like PCIe 3.0. Haswell has brought basically nothing to the table.FwFred - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
I thought GT3e (-R) SKUs and AVX2 were pretty significant additions on the desktop. Intel has the highest performing desktop IGP. Isn't that news?Yes, the -K overclocking folk are probably better served with Ivy-E.
kyuu - Saturday, June 29, 2013 - link
When it costs an arm and a leg and isn't available, well, anywhere: no, it's not news. Well, I take that back: it may be news, but it's not *good* news.