AMD's A10-5750M Review, Part 1: The APU and Radeon HD 8650G Performance
by Dustin Sklavos on June 28, 2013 12:00 PM ESTIntroducing the AMD A10-5750M and Mobile Richland
As an incremental release, AMD's Richland is a little bit hard to build up enthusiasm for. Architecturally almost identical to its predecessor, Trinity, Richland's chief refinement is a substantial improvement on its implementation of AMD's Turbo Core technology. Richland is able to manage its power states with finer granularity, which allows AMD to in some cases substantially beef up the clocks that the CPU and GPU halves of the chip can hit.
On the flipside, despite the branding shenanigans going on at AMD, we're still fundamentally dealing with the same architecture as Trinity. That means one or two Piledriver CPU modules paired up with VLIW4 GPU clusters. It's a little bizarre that we saw Kabini and Temash first, since those chips marry AMD's updated Jaguar low-power CPU architecture with their current generation GCN GPU architecture; Richland is essentially old technology that's seen a healthy refinement. The market segments that Kabini and Temash serve are the fastest growing, so it's understandable, but AMD's "high end" APU architecture looks a little antiquated by comparison.
While desktop Richland has been a little underwhelming, the mobile version should have a lot more teeth. Here's a comparison, generation by generation:
AMD A-Series Mobile APUs (Mainstream TDP) | |||||||||||||
Model | A10-5750M | A10-4600M | A8-5550M | A8-4500M | A6-5350M | A4-4000 | |||||||
Modules/Cores | 2/4 | 2/4 | 2/4 | 2/4 | 1/2 | 1/2 | |||||||
CPU Clock | 2.5 | 2.3 | 2.1 | 1.9 | 2.9 | 2.7 | |||||||
CPU Turbo | 3.5 | 3.2 | 3.1 | 2.8 | 3.5 | 3.2 | |||||||
Graphics | HD 8650G | HD 7660G | HD 8550G | HD 7640G | HD 8450G | HD 7520G | |||||||
GPU Cores | 384 | 384 | 256 | 256 | 192 | 192 | |||||||
GPU Clock | 533 | 496 | 515 | 496 | 533 | 496 | |||||||
GPU Turbo | 720 | 685 | 720 | 685 | 720 | 685 | |||||||
L2 Cache | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 2x2MB | 1MB | 1MB | |||||||
Max DDR3 | 1866 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 | 1600 |
With the new generation, everyone gets a 200MHz bump in CPU base frequency and a much more modest 20-40MHz jump in base GPU clocks. Turbo clocks jump 35MHz on GPUs across the board, nothing to write home about, while CPU turbo clocks jump 300MHz across the board. Since Trinity was chiefly CPU limited, virtually any improvement in core clocks can be a big help. What we really need is for Richland to hit and sustain turbo clocks for longer periods of time, though, and hopefully AMD's improved Turbo Core technology can make up the difference.
Unlike with Trinity, AMD didn't seed Richland reference notebooks to reviewers, so our reference unit is the updated MSI GX60. Part 2 of my review will cover the MSI GX60 specifically, but for now, here's the spec table:
MSI GX60 (2013) Specifications | |
Processor |
AMD A10-5750M (4x2.5GHz, Turbo to 3.5GHz, 32nm, 4MB L2, 35W) |
Chipset | AMD Hudson-3 |
Memory | 2x8GB A-Data DDR3-1600 (originally 1x8GB) |
Graphics |
AMD Radeon HD 8650G (VLIW4; 384 cores; 533/720MHz base/turbo frequencies) AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2GB GDDR5 (GCN; 1280 cores; 850MHz/4.8GHz core/memory; 256-bit memory bus) |
Display |
15.6" LED Matte 16:9 1080p LGD0259 |
Hard Drive(s) | Western Digital Scorpio Black 750GB 7200-RPM SATA 3Gbps HDD |
Optical Drive | TSSTCorp SN-406AB BD-ROM/DVDRW |
Networking |
Killer Networks e2200 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Atheros AR9485WB-EG 2.4GHz 802.11b/g/n Bluetooth 4.0 |
Audio |
Realtek ALC892 HD audio (THX TruStudio Pro) 2.1 speakers Mic, headphone, line-in, and line-out jacks |
Battery | 9-cell, 87Wh |
Front Side | - |
Right Side |
Mic, headphone, line-in, and line-out jacks 1x USB 2.0 Optical drive |
Left Side |
Vent 3x USB 3.0 SD card reader |
Back Side |
Kensington lock AC adapter Ethernet D-SUB Mini-DisplayPort HDMI Vent |
Operating System | Windows 8 64-bit |
Dimensions |
14.97" x 10.24" x 1.77" 380mm x 260mm x 45mm |
Weight |
7.7 lbs 3.49kg |
Extras |
Webcam USB 3.0 Card reader THX TruStudio Pro audio Killer Networks wired networking SteelSeries keyboard |
Warranty | 2-year parts and labor |
Pricing | $1,199 |
Without getting into the details, relevant to testing is that the GX60 actually ships with only one DIMM channel populated. While the CPU isn't heavily affected by operating in single-channel mode, the IGP takes a nearly 50% hit to performance virtually across the board. It also doesn't ship with any solid state storage, so PCMark7 is going to be heavily impacted by the mechanical hard disk. In the second part of this review, when I tackle the GX60 specifically, you'll be able to get a better idea of what the loss of that second DIMM means.
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FwFred - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
I am very interested to see 28W Haswell GT3 vs. 37W Haswell GT2 vs. 25W/35W Richland, and 17/19W Richland vs 15W Haswell GT2/GT3.Gabik123 - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
Why not boot camp a 2013 macbook air to show Richland performance against a GT3 HD5000?takeship - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
Or just post the Tomb Raider - Value number from that review. ~28fps. This is really a chip in search of a market. Richland can't replace a discrete setup except at the margins, and has lost it's DX11 leg over Intel as well. Battery life was not mentioned for a reason. I'm very curious Dustin, what the performance of the MSI looked like before you populated out the last RAM slot. It seems that most OEMs would rather save the few dollars rather than even deliver baseline performance with these chips. Also, is there any chance at all that the Richland ULV line will get a review from Anandtech sometime in the future?xTRICKYxx - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
Battery Life was omitted because the laptop came with a 7970M. A 100W GPU is going to skew the results.wcg66 - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
The APU is a good niche for AMD. These gaming numbers are pretty impressive IMO given the cost versus the Intel competition. I hope the continue to improve to the point that they can offer midrange discrete graphics card performance in a single chip (say Radeon 7790 levels of performance.)mikk - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
desktop Haswell is a jokeI would say Dustin Sklavos is a joke. Bad reputation for Anandtech.
nathanddrews - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
While a bit harsh for a professional review, it's not wrong.superjim - Tuesday, July 2, 2013 - link
^ thissolarisking - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
Actually I'm glad he put that in there. Somebody's telling it like it is. I was a little surprised Anand seemed as pleased as he was with the first Haswell performance article.claysm - Friday, June 28, 2013 - link
I agree. Desktop Haswell is a total snooze. There's no upgrade incentive whatsoever from IVB or even SNB in my opinion.