when someone shows a part that isn't an AMD "freesync" supported part connecting to it via A-sync they should. Until that point, it is essentially an exclusive technology.
You guys at AT are getting payed way too much (or getting old) and don't value money at all.It's scary how far it got. In the US you can find 24 inch 1080p IPS as low as 100$, almost all 24 inchers are bellow 200$. At the same time 4k panel costs are just slightly higher than 1080p panel costs and the only nice thing about a 400$ 24 inch monitor are Samsung's margins. The Seiki 39 inch 4k TV or a 28 inch 4k Dell (poor one) reached 300$ at times and a few days ago in China there was a deal for a 40 inch 4k Philips smart TV at 208$. This thing is not in any way form or shape affordable, it's a product with a high premium, aimed at buyers that are willing to pay such premiums for w/e reason.
New gear is more expensive than older and less capable gear? Say it isn't so! I paid $300 for two 1920x1200 IPS displays a few years ago and the third was still $250 just a couple years ago, I'm sure they're cheaper now...
I'm sure street prices will eventually be lower on this too, but they're not gonna debut the thing at $200 much less anything under that. If that's your budget then be happy with a 1080p and/or non-Freesync display.
Those Seiki 4K TVs are also complete pieces of crap. And too large to be used comfortably on most people's desks. Those ~100 dollar 24" 1080p panels are likewise low grade TN junk.
400 USD for a PLS UHD display is a very good deal, provided it actually delivers what it promises.
Ok, I think that 28" has my name on it. First I'll wait and see how AMD are doing with graphics cards, if next-gen is good enough, I'll be dumping nVidia (unless their next-gen cards also support freesync, which seems unlikely) and upgrading my monitors.
I have the previous model. It's pretty good except for the vertical viewing angles; there's significant contrast shift from even a moderate angle below. Oh, and the stand isn't as robust as it might be. Not awful, but not rock solid like my old Dell model.
At 28" a TN panel is showing color shift even across the display due to the changing viewing angles. Even in the office it's sometimes distracting when interpreting 2D color-coded plots.
no, that only happens on super cheap TN panels originally intended for TVs.
Expensive TN panels won't invert at normal viewing distances, which is, usually, a bit more than an arms length. Although, there's also the question of why you would want to use an expensive TN panel in the first place, aside from 120Hz+ gaming, when a cheap IPS or MVA panel can do the job better and cost the same or less than an expensive TN panel.
Depending on the size of the business in question, they may have just went with ultra cheap monitors to cut costs.
Will there also be equivalent-specced G-Sync monitors from Samsung? Or maybe even a single monitor that can switch to/from either technology: G-Sync & Freesync?
G-Sync is an expensive (about 100$ overhead) piece of "oh, we wanna patent this to ban competitors from using it" kind of shit. (kinda like with PhysX/CUDA)
FreeSync on top of being a free to use standard, is cheapo to implement, to a point that most scaler chips out there have FreeSync support out of the box.
i just can't see any reason for 3K below 30".... i mean i got about 125% vision, can see retina pixels if focus my eyes, yet i fail to notice pixels on my 30" monitor... i'm still waiting for a >=40" monitor...
I'd like to see a 32" rather than the glut of 28" units we're getting, but I guess between the aspect ratios and desk space the latter makes more sense to most people.
Shoot, I'm not even sure I really wanna go from 3x 24" back to two displays (one large 4K plus auxiliary), or if I have the desire to have three larger displays (which would probably require a new desk or a wall mount).
40" would be really niche IMO, kinda small for a TV/couch distance display (I've lived with a 32" HDTV mind you, not saying 40" would be awful), but way massive for a desk.
It's good for a TN panel (I have the previous model), but if the 24" PLS version had been out six months ago I would have definitely gone for that instead.
That is unless you are looking for another size, in which case I can't help you.
Personally, I love my X-star DP2710LED, since it's doing 110Hz and 2560x1440 is tall enough for me. I find that once you go over 1200 pixel height with equally larger screen, 16:9, 16:10, 21:9, 3:2 doesn't matter anymore.
That said, 1080p screens bug the crap out of me now.
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fokka - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
so what is the refresh rate range? and why are we talking about the 16M colors of the PLS model, but not the 1B colors of the TN model?Frenetic Pony - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
The real question is, why's there a 10bit panel (1 billion colors) that only covers SRGB color gamut? That's not really useful.eanazag - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
Are these Ganesh approved 4K future proof monitor designs? I'm thinking that the PLS may not be because of the lesser color support.Brandon Chester - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
They're limited to sRGB so no.Cellar Door - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
Yes dude, what is the point releasing a short announcement like this but advertising.You need to address key topics of a a freesync panel like the refresh range - because otherwise @RyanSmithAT looks like he hired the wrong person.
TristanSDX - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
24 inch is also available now. Waiting for review, to determine if blur still exist.Sanidin - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
I wish you would call it VESA adaptive sync and not AMD freesync, to call out nvidia for not supporting this.testbug00 - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
when someone shows a part that isn't an AMD "freesync" supported part connecting to it via A-sync they should. Until that point, it is essentially an exclusive technology.I expect Intel to move on that fast :)
jjj - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
"At $399 it's also extremely affordable"You guys at AT are getting payed way too much (or getting old) and don't value money at all.It's scary how far it got.
In the US you can find 24 inch 1080p IPS as low as 100$, almost all 24 inchers are bellow 200$. At the same time 4k panel costs are just slightly higher than 1080p panel costs and the only nice thing about a 400$ 24 inch monitor are Samsung's margins.
The Seiki 39 inch 4k TV or a 28 inch 4k Dell (poor one) reached 300$ at times and a few days ago in China there was a deal for a 40 inch 4k Philips smart TV at 208$.
This thing is not in any way form or shape affordable, it's a product with a high premium, aimed at buyers that are willing to pay such premiums for w/e reason.
feeblegoat - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
*extremely affordable compared to other 4k monitors. If you are looking for a high DPI display, usually that means $500+.So no, this is still not for the budget gamer.
at80eighty - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
or you have lost your ability to interpret context in your old age.it is highly affordable for a 4k monitor
Impulses - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
New gear is more expensive than older and less capable gear? Say it isn't so! I paid $300 for two 1920x1200 IPS displays a few years ago and the third was still $250 just a couple years ago, I'm sure they're cheaper now...I'm sure street prices will eventually be lower on this too, but they're not gonna debut the thing at $200 much less anything under that. If that's your budget then be happy with a 1080p and/or non-Freesync display.
Bateluer - Thursday, June 25, 2015 - link
Those Seiki 4K TVs are also complete pieces of crap. And too large to be used comfortably on most people's desks. Those ~100 dollar 24" 1080p panels are likewise low grade TN junk.400 USD for a PLS UHD display is a very good deal, provided it actually delivers what it promises.
althaz - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
Ok, I think that 28" has my name on it. First I'll wait and see how AMD are doing with graphics cards, if next-gen is good enough, I'll be dumping nVidia (unless their next-gen cards also support freesync, which seems unlikely) and upgrading my monitors.PixyMisa - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
I have the previous model. It's pretty good except for the vertical viewing angles; there's significant contrast shift from even a moderate angle below. Oh, and the stand isn't as robust as it might be. Not awful, but not rock solid like my old Dell model.MrSpadge - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
At 28" a TN panel is showing color shift even across the display due to the changing viewing angles. Even in the office it's sometimes distracting when interpreting 2D color-coded plots.meacupla - Friday, July 3, 2015 - link
no, that only happens on super cheap TN panels originally intended for TVs.Expensive TN panels won't invert at normal viewing distances, which is, usually, a bit more than an arms length. Although, there's also the question of why you would want to use an expensive TN panel in the first place, aside from 120Hz+ gaming, when a cheap IPS or MVA panel can do the job better and cost the same or less than an expensive TN panel.
Depending on the size of the business in question, they may have just went with ultra cheap monitors to cut costs.
vailr - Monday, June 22, 2015 - link
Will there also be equivalent-specced G-Sync monitors from Samsung?Or maybe even a single monitor that can switch to/from either technology: G-Sync & Freesync?
medi03 - Tuesday, July 7, 2015 - link
G-Sync is an expensive (about 100$ overhead) piece of "oh, we wanna patent this to ban competitors from using it" kind of shit. (kinda like with PhysX/CUDA)FreeSync on top of being a free to use standard, is cheapo to implement, to a point that most scaler chips out there have FreeSync support out of the box.
bernstein - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
i just can't see any reason for 3K below 30".... i mean i got about 125% vision, can see retina pixels if focus my eyes, yet i fail to notice pixels on my 30" monitor... i'm still waiting for a >=40" monitor...bernstein - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
sry i meant 4K :-)Impulses - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
I'd like to see a 32" rather than the glut of 28" units we're getting, but I guess between the aspect ratios and desk space the latter makes more sense to most people.Shoot, I'm not even sure I really wanna go from 3x 24" back to two displays (one large 4K plus auxiliary), or if I have the desire to have three larger displays (which would probably require a new desk or a wall mount).
40" would be really niche IMO, kinda small for a TV/couch distance display (I've lived with a 32" HDTV mind you, not saying 40" would be awful), but way massive for a desk.
pvgg - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
It's nice because the good one is the cheaper one. :)Gothmoth - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
nobody want´s TN panels in 2015.. not even cheap gamers......PixyMisa - Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - link
It's good for a TN panel (I have the previous model), but if the 24" PLS version had been out six months ago I would have definitely gone for that instead.ruthan - Wednesday, June 24, 2015 - link
Will someone except Eizo limited and expensive editions produce 16:10 panel again?meacupla - Friday, July 3, 2015 - link
Go search for: 30" korean 2560x1600 monitorThat is unless you are looking for another size, in which case I can't help you.
Personally, I love my X-star DP2710LED, since it's doing 110Hz and 2560x1440 is tall enough for me. I find that once you go over 1200 pixel height with equally larger screen, 16:9, 16:10, 21:9, 3:2 doesn't matter anymore.
That said, 1080p screens bug the crap out of me now.
alexbagi - Saturday, July 4, 2015 - link
So the maximum refresh rate with free sync is 60hz, but what is the minimum refresh rate with freesync at 4K? freesync operates in a rangeNfarce - Sunday, July 5, 2015 - link
Who would care about minimum Hz freesync specs? Nobody buys these types of monitors worrying about minimum FPS and matched monitor Hz!