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  • BrokenCrayons - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    <sarcasm> I'm sure this acquisition will make HP's ink and toner cartridges MUCH cheaper! I'm also very excited about the low ink/toner warnings starting when I have 50% of the consumable's life left instead of 75%! </sarcasm>
  • JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    This right here.

    HP Printer Ink prices are basically a meme. It's more expensive than human blood, per mL.

    http://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/ink-cost...

    Printer companies might have better success if they charged reasonable prices for ink/toner and used standardized cartridge sizes, universal to all printers. It's functionally cheaper to operate printers by sourcing the cheapest toner cartridges that you can source, then finding the printer with the best features that utilizes that toner cartridge. It really should be a case of different printer manufacturers designing printers and pricing them based on feature set and print/scan quality.
  • Michael Bay - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    >scan quality

    Not with this CIS crap eating the market.
  • mindless1 - Sunday, September 18, 2016 - link

    I know, but that goes against their profit model which is to make money on cartridges. Right now I run primarily Samsung and Brother B&W lasers specifically because both can be DIY refilled with bulk toner for about $8 a refill. Some Samsungs need a fuse replaced to do it and some Brothers a reset gear flipped back to start position, but beyond that you just buy a new cart every (n)th time to get a new drum, once the old one starts flaking off and print quality suffers.

    You can also buy 3rd party drums separately but in my experience it's hit or miss if they have any defects or equal lifespan, plus it's handy to have a 2nd cart available when you do bulk refills, so you have a full one ready to toss in if you're in the middle of a big print job and can't take the time to refill the one in the printer running low, at that moment.
  • DanNeely - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    When Samsung is pulled off the top 5 list, who's going to move up and onto it? More generally is there a top 8/10/etc list available somewhere to break down the Others segment a bit more? Or one that breaks the industry down by market segments? (eg One of HPs reasons for buying Samsung is lack of presence in the copier segment - I didn't even realize discrete copiers were still a thing at all.)
  • Michael Bay - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    When they say copier, they really mean MFU for the workgroup, that big thing in the corner.
  • Samus - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    "That big thing in the corner"

    Haha, classic.
  • SeleniumGlow - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    I still remember the Xerox Machines in my office. Everyone literally used the word "Xerox" to mean "copy". Like - Hey, get a Xerox of the interviewee's resume.
  • Samus - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    Two things come to mind here. One is HP sold their software arm last week to a UK company. Two is this is a really good deal for HP. It eliminates a competitor and gains some valuable engineering and IP. They could have done worse, paying more for a corporate arm that makes absolute crap (Savin/Kyocera/Konica Minolta/Xerox printing divisions all have some substantial issues ranging from quality to support, most of them exist purely based on leasing profits)

    Unfortunately, I never thought much of Samsung printers. The fusers seem to overheat quickly...most of their entry level (sub-$500) printers can't print 50+ pages continuously without slowing down or halting due to a thermal alarm. However, like HP printers, they are surprisingly reliable and they are among the only companies that continues to produce "maintenance kits" for their enterprise printers.

    But the real takeaway is Samsung could certainly use this cash infusion to assist in the financial fallout that will result from the Note 7 recall. Their printer business just really never took off like it could have if they really put effort into it, but like many arms of Samsung corporate, it's just kind of there for diversity and nothing else. Samsung is like an IBM or Xerox in that regard.

    What is clearer than ever, though, is HP has obviously decided to cement their future in imaging, which is a good thing. Just a few years ago that Apotheker douche was trying to spin it off, and hilariously, HP ended up selling the software division instead (the only division he wanted to KEEP.)
  • Death666Angel - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    "Samsung could certainly use this cash infusion to assist in the financial fallout that will result from the Note 7 recall."
    Nope. They most certainly have tens of billions of dollars of cash lying around. They are a mega conglomerate with tons of devisions, most of which are highly profitable.
  • Samus - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    What I mean is instead of showing a loss to pay for the (who knows, possibly billions in overall damage from litigation to settlements to brand damage) they can effectively write down the sale of the printer division, netting 0 loss on paper. It's a better alternative that divesting profits from another department.

    Because of it isn't obvious their smartphone division likely won't have a profit this fiscal year. It's already a cutthroat low margin market dependant on economies of scale.
  • Zoomer - Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - link

    While they are both one time items, it'll most assuredly be broken out separately.
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  • Aramchek - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    It was HP Enterprises that sold off a software division, which is nowadays a different company from the PCs and printers HP that bought Samsungs printer division.

    Personally, I'm going to order a high capacity toner for my Samsung laser printer before it is too late.
  • creed3020 - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    That printer pictured is exactly what I have. I don't see how less competition is good for consumers though. Printers and ink should be cheap, but that is not the case.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    Brother printers are your friend.
  • DCide - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    So the two losers join together, and the biggest loser takes charge. No one else is losing, although Brother is slipping a little. HP is falling so fast that, by the time this acquisition closes, they will still be declining the fastest - even with Samsung's business. They can now proudly hold the titles of Biggest Loser and Lone Loser concurrently.

    So while it's true the industry's declining - which is inevitable - It's interesting to note it's really just HP who's declining! HP had better not be in denial of this fact by blaming an industry downturn which is only turning them down!
  • DanNeely - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    Of the big 5, only Epson managed to actually increase its sales in the first half of the year. It's a shrinking market, so continued loss is almost inevitable.

    I am however skeptical about how much of the bought market share HP will be able to hold onto. Irrespective of both companies current struggles, just the nameplate going away will probably be enough to drive a significant number of loyal Samsung buyers into examining the entire market again even if HP is offering an updated version of what they're looking to replace.
  • Samus - Thursday, September 15, 2016 - link

    Brother products are just such a scam when you consider they are the only company that separates the drum from the toner cartridge, creating a hidden cost and prolonged reduced quality. Every time I'm at a medical office or a store and I get a printout receipt that has lines, shadowed text or toner rubbing of the paper, I look over and it came out of a Brother.

    Epson is similar in that they have famously (since the Stylus Color II) used an external printhead instead of integrating them into the cartridge. This was a disaster in the 90's and cost them some major street cred with everyone from IT to consumer reports, but ironically, Consumer Report now ranks Epson printers (and has for years) as among the most reliable and least expensive to operate. I've used Epson ink printers for years and the cost is incredibly low, even buying genuine ink.

    Canon printers are all over the place. The "HP of Japan" laser printers (most of them PHYSICALLY take HP cartridges, and many of HP's older Color laser printers were made in Japan by Canon) are pretty reliable, if not ridiculously complex and over engineered in true Japanese fashion. But Canon ink printers are complete garbage. Their entry-level and SMB printers (ink and laser) also suffer from the "Xerox" effect in that they have terrible UI, terrible software support, and are just clunky to setup.

    Lexmark is still one of my all-time favorites solely for their support, which is excellent. Continued firmware updates, bullet-proof drivers, native Linux compatibility per model (not just a universal driver) and availability of maintenance kits for most models are icing on the cake. However, they are, undoubtedly, the most expensive printers to run when buying genuine consumables, and they aren't a walk in the park to repair like most HP's.

    Which brings me back to HP. Yes, they have a LOT of duds. You can't buy a <$100 printer and expect it to be of lasting quality. But HP printers are incredibly reliable, easy to fix (basic service like rollers, springs, belts, gears and memory upgrades and even fuser replacements are tool-less on SMB models.) And now with HP Pagewide ink printers having proven reliable, I think Epson might lose its value proposition for lowest cost per page. Those Pagewide printers can do 10,000 pages @ 5% for <$100 a cartridge, are full color and print a page a second.
  • buxe2quec - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    I don't have much experience, but I know that once I found a HP OfficeJet 1300n (without ethernet module though) on a street and I brought it home. It had the foil around the fuser broken and it was jamming paper. Replaced for 20 euro myself (that includes buying a spare) and it has run perfectly ever since.

    It stopped printing the self report since I updated the memory and it has never been able to print at 1200 dpi on Windows 10, but it still has ink for 3-5k pages :)

    Easy to repair even at home.
  • Michael Bay - Saturday, September 17, 2016 - link

    If it has a fuser, there is no ink. ^_^
    LJ1300/1320 were great printers. Then hp decided to forgo lead in LJ2015/3005 and boy did it bite them in the ass on MB replacements.
  • beginner99 - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    That's the good thing of having an office job. Free printing.
  • HillarysEyes - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    The figures in Change column are completely nonsensical.
  • HillarysEyes - Friday, September 16, 2016 - link

    Okay they are for volume rather than market share, but what matters is the latter
  • StrangerGuy - Saturday, September 17, 2016 - link

    I wondering if the overall revenue declines in consumer computing is a sign of the times: People are already satisfied with what they have and it's cheaper than ever to get there.
  • Michael Bay - Saturday, September 17, 2016 - link

    Yep. Same thing is happening to mobile as well, only much quicker.
  • Sajid Bashir - Sunday, April 2, 2017 - link

    Interesting story...!!!
    HP is getting in an emerging market these days..Good step though but i am a big time fan of EPSON printers... They also have topped the list on being the best sublimation printers too. --> http://consumerstip.com/best-sublimation-printer-2...
  • Sajid Bashir - Sunday, April 16, 2017 - link

    I do think that HP is the leader in the market but the best quality printers especially dye sublimation printers are best made by EPSON and they must be admired for that
  • Sajid Bashir - Sunday, April 16, 2017 - link

    Here take a look at these...

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  • SajidBashir - Sunday, May 7, 2017 - link

    There are a lot of Dye Sublimation Printers available in the market.. But the list of the best sublimation printers to buy can be found here...

    http://consumerstip.com/best-sublimation-printer/
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  • monapinto - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link

    HP now offers the industry's strongest portfolio of A3 multifunction printers that deliver the simplicity of printers with the high performance of copiers. Samsung, as part of the agreement, will make a $100 million to $300 million equity investment in HP through open market purchases.
  • Austincooper - Friday, August 10, 2018 - link

    HP and Smasung join hand to improve the printer market, but the product will get expensive and service will get poor as its always is.
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