AMD's 2010/2011 Roadmap from the IT Professional’s Perspective
by Johan De Gelas on November 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST- Posted in
- IT Computing
Server CPUs in 2010
AMD’s best core in 2010 is a slightly improved revision of the current six-core Opteron “Istanbul” with the following additions:
• Finally a “real” C1E state which reduces power for each core that is idleing
• Support for DDR-3
In theory, DDR-3 1333 offers 66% higher bandwidth, but in practice the Stream benchmark does not measure more than a 25% boost in bandwidth. The latency of going off-die is about the same. That means that the performance increase in most server applications will not be tangible. Only the most bandwidth intensive HPC applications will get a boost of 10 to 20%.
Currently, AMD's six-core Opteron can match the performance of Intel’s quadcore Xeon 5500 at the same clockspeed in some important server applications: OLAP databases, virtualization and web applications. Intel’s best Xeon wins with a significant margin in OLTP, ERP and rendering. A large part of the HPC market is a lost cause: a quadcore Intel Xeon 5570 at 2.93 GHz is about twice as fast as a AMD Opteron 2389 at 2.9 GHz. The fact that we could not find any Opteron 2435 results in LS-Dyna is another indication of what to expect: the 10-20% higher performance in HPC applications will not be a large step forward.
Intel is going to increase performance by 20-30% per CPU (50% more cores), while AMD’s CPUs will see only marginal increases. So basically, Intel’s performance advantage is going to grow by 20 to 30%, except in HPC workloads where it is already running circles around the competition. Not an enviable position to be in for AMD.
Suppose that you are the strategic brain behind AMD. The competition offers better “per chip” and “per core” performance. The last thing you want to do is to offer the same kind of server platform. If a six-core Opteron (“Lisbon") goes head to head with a six-core Xeon (“westmere EP”), it will not be pretty: the Intel chip will beat the AMD chip in performance and performance/watt (remember, westmere EP is a 32 nm CPU). Despite this, AMD found some clever ways to make their server platforms interesting…
Cheaper 4-Socket Servers
“Know your enemies and know yourself”.
In which usage scenario’s are Intel’s offerings less compelling? The Nehalem-EX is a powerful platform, but it is also a completely different one than the “Westmere EP” platform. The Nehalem-EX's most important market is the 4-socket/8-socket x86 market, where about 400,000 servers are sold per year, or about 5% of the total x86 server market. It is also a pretty complex platform with two I/O hubs and 16 (!) memory buffers chips on a 4-socket board. The Nehalem EX platform does not only want to conquer the high end 4 and 8-socket x86 server market, it also wants to convince the more paranoid RISC and Itanium buyers:
Our first impression is that AMD will find it hard to win the high end database and ERP market. The quadcore Nehalem 5500 already outperforms the six-core Opteron “Istanbul” by a large margin (30-50%). The Opteron 6100 also has 50% more cores, but it is likely that a “native octalcore” will scale a bit better than a two times 6-core design. For the virtualization market, the higher amount of DIMM slots are an advantage for the Nehalem EX. At first sight, it looks like it will be pretty tough for AMD to regain market share in this part of the server market.
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yuhong - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - link
"Ummm no, I have a Tyan Thunder K7 760 MP board and it supports USB (first gen) just fine"I think the poster was remembering the B1 stepping of the AMD 768 southbridge, which had a erratum that led to USB having to be disabled.
Here is the AMD 768 revision guide:
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spikespiegal - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - link
[quote]You can spin it whatever way you want but AMD introduced features with that chipset that other companies like VIA and nVIDIA were too stupid to create at the time.[/quote]Which is likely to only impress who? Uli and SiS owners?
I also had a couple MP motherboards....great chips (especially when used with non MP / L5 hacked processors), but they were amatuer motherboards that were designed for enthusiasts. AMDs chipsets simply weren't in the same infrastructure class as ServerWorks and Intels dedicated workstation/server market - period.
This is really a shame because the XP processors in MP mode really but the schlock on the P4, because any adult here knows the P4 / Xeon was the most over-rated workstation/server platform - ever. However, the lack of a true workhorse MP platform cost AMD a lot of momentum which the AMD 64 badly needed.
If you want a reason Server Farm minders don't take AMD seriously, then here it is. Sorry AMD - too late.
niva - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - link
Oh I'll agree with you that AMD made horrible mistakes with their market direction. They clearly had the know-how and the financial capability to push chipsets similar to how intel does but in their infinite wisdom chose not to and the little they did came too late.The same can be applied to the current state of affairs.
Unfortunately AMD is so far behind the race now that I doubt they can catch up and ever surpass intel again. Attempting to battle on other fronts (chipsets) where Intel is extremely well established is pretty impossible due to the funding required.
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