SPEC - Multi-Threaded Performance

While the single-threaded numbers were interesting, what we’re all looking after are the multi-core scores and what exactly 80 Neoverse-N1 cores can achieve within a single, and two sockets.

The performance measurements here were limited to quadrant and NPS4 configurations as that’s actually the default settings in which the Altra system came in, and what also AMD usually says customers want to deploy into production, achieving better performance by reducing cross-chip memory traffic.

The main comparison point here against the Q80-33 is AMD’s EPYC 7742 – 80 cores versus 64 cores with SMT, as well as similar TDPs. Intel’s Xeon 8280 with its 28 cores also comes into play but isn’t a credible competitor against the newer generation silicon designs on 7nm.

I’m keeping the detailed result sets limited to single-socket figures – we’ll check out the dual-socket numbers later on in the aggregate chart – essentially the 2S figures are simply 2x the performance.

SPECint2017 Rate-N Estimated Scores (1 Socket)

Starting off with SPECint2017, we’re seeing some absolutely smashing figures here on the part of the Altra Q80-33, with several workloads where the chip significantly outperforms the EPYC 7742, but also losing in some other workloads.

Starting off with the losing workloads, gcc, mcf, and omnetpp, these are all workloads with either high cache pressure or high memory requirements.

The Altra losing out in 502.gcc_r doesn’t come as much of a surprise as we also saw the Graviton2 suffering in this workload – the 1MB per core of L2 as well as 400KB per core of shared L3 really isn’t much and pales against the 4MB/core that’s available to the EPYC’s Zen2 cores. The Altra going from 2.5GHz to 3.3GHz and 64 cores to 80 cores only improves the score from 176.9 to 186.1 in comparison to the Graviton2. I’m not including the Graviton2 in the charts as it’s not quite the apples-to-apples comparisons due to compiler and run environments, but one can look up the scores in that review.

Where the Altra does shine however is in more core-local workloads that are more compute oriented and have less of a memory footprint, of which we see quite a few here, such as 525.x264.

What’s really interesting here is that even though the latter tests in the suite are extremely friendly to SMT scaling on the x86 systems, with 531, 541, 548 and 557 scaling up with SMT threads in MT performance by respectively 30, 43, 25 and 36%, AMD’s Rome CPU still manages to lose to the Altra system by considerable amounts – only being slightly favoured in 557.xz_r by a slight margin – so while SMT helps, it’s not enough to counteract the raw 25% core count advantage of the Altra system when comparing 80 vs 64 cores.

SPECfp2017 Rate-N Estimated Scores

In SPECfp2017, things are also looking favourably for the Altra, although the differences aren’t as favourable except for 511.povray where the raw core count again comes into play.

The Altra again showcases really bad performance in 507.cactuBSSN_r, mirroring the lacklustre single-threaded scores and showing worse performance than a Graviton2 by considerable amounts.

The Arm design does well in 503.bwaves which is fairly high IPC as well as bandwidth hungry, however falls behind in other bandwidth hungry workloads such as 554.roms_r which has more sparse memory stores.

SPEC2017 Rate-N Estimated Total

In the overall scores, both across single-socket and dual-socket systems, the new Altra Q80-33 performs outstandingly well, actually edging out the EPYC system by a small margin in SPECint, though it’s losing out in SPECfp and more cache-heavy workloads.

Beyond testing 1-socket and 2-socket scores, I’ve also taken the opportunity of this new round of testing across the various systems to test out 1 thread per core and 2 thread per core scores across the SMT systems.

While there are definitely workloads that scale well with SMT, overall, the technology has a smaller impact on the suite, averaging out at 15% for both EPYC and Xeon.

One thing we don’t usually do in the way we run SPEC is mixing together rate figures with different thread counts, however with such large core counts and threads it’s something I didn’t want to leave out for this piece. The “mixT” result set takes the best performing sub-score of either the 1T or 2T/core runs for a higher overall aggregate. Usually officially submitted SPEC scores do this by default in their _peak submissions while we usually run _base comparative scores. Even with this best-case methodology for the SMT systems, the Altra system still slightly edges out the performance of the EPYC 7742.

Intel’s Cascade Lake Xeon system here really isn’t of any consideration in the competitive landscape as a single-socket Altra system will outperform a dual-socket Xeon.

The Altra QuickSilver still has one weakness and that’s cache-heavy workloads – 32MB of L3 for 80 cores really isn’t near enough to keep up performance scaling across that many cores. In the end of the day however, it’s up to Ampere’s customers to give input what kind of workloads they use and if they stress the caches or not – given that both Amazon and Ampere chose the minimum cache configuration for their mesh implementations, maybe that’s not the case?

SPEC2017 Rate-N Estimated Per-Thread Performance

Finally, one last figure I wanted to showcase is the per-thread performance of the different designs. While scaling out multi-threaded performance across vast number of cores is a very important way to scale performance, it’s also important to not take a flock of chickens approach with too weak cores. Especially for customers Ampere is targeting, such as enterprise and cloud service providers, many times users will be running things on a subset of a given processor socket cores, so per-core and per-thread performance remains a very important metric.

Simply dividing the single-socket performance figures by the amount of threads run, we get to an average per-thread performance figure in the context of a fully loaded system, a figure that’s actually more realistic than the single-thread figures of the previous page where the rest of the CPU cores in the systems are doing nothing.

In this regard, Intel’s Xeon offering is still extremely competitive and actually takes the lead position here – although its low core count doesn’t favour it at all in the full throughput metrics of the socket, the per-thread performance is still the best amongst the current CPU offerings out there.

In SPECint, the Altra, EPYC and Xeon are all essentially tied in performance, whilst in SPECfp the Xeon takes the lead with the Altra falling notably behind – with the EPYC Rome chip falling in-between the two.

If per-thread performance is important to you, then obviously enough SMT isn’t an option as this vastly regresses performance in favour of a chance to get more aggregate performance across multiple threads. There’s many vendors or enterprise use-cases which for this reason just outright disable SMT.

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  • mode_13h - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    I agree that people should do a sanity-check on their numbers.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    "This thing is quite big."
    Package size is not die size.

    If Nvidia can pump out dies more than twice the area on an inferior process and still get some perfect dies, I suspect they'll have no issues whatsoever with yield on TSMC 7nm at this stage - especially with the ability to sell lower-core-count variants.
  • Samus - Sunday, December 20, 2020 - link

    Die harvested models with less cores sell for only 5-10% less. So I'm not sure if that means yields are really good, or really bad. Apparently they seem to be pushing the 80 core models pretty hard since so many are being offered.

    Then again, it depends what we define as yield quality? Defects seem to be low, but binning could be another issue as only two models seem to hit 3.3GHz and at incredibly high power budgets.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    3.3Ghz is about where that architecture tops out - I'm not sure that tells us much about yield. To me, the pricing seems to indicate that they aren't expecting to have to shift a ton of the lower-core-count die-harvested models.
  • damianrobertjones - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    Assuming that Intel just wants to milk customers forever, just like nVidia/phone oems do, they should quickly bridge the performance gap. They'll just have to stop being lazy and actually provide us with more than a drip fed speed increase.
  • fishingbait - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    An Apple guy I see. Remember that up until a couple of months ago Apple was charging you $1000 for a laptop with a dual core 1.1GHz chip.

    The "phone OEMs" finally have a core that can somewhat compete with Apple's Firestorm. It will take them a couple iterations to perfect it but they are on the right path. As for Intel, another story entirely. The latest word is that their 10nm process isn't going to well and they have hit yet another delay for 7nm. They may hit up Samsung's foundries just to get a product out (due to TSMC not having any capacity until December 21). So while their issues are far more significant than those for Android phones, it isn't due to their lazily milking customers. They have real tech issues to deal with, issues of the sort that Apple and AMD don't have to worry about because they lack the capability and expertise required to make their own chips.
  • mode_13h - Sunday, December 20, 2020 - link

    > because they lack the hubris to think they should try to make their own chips.

    Fixed that for you.
  • Spunjji - Monday, December 21, 2020 - link

    "So while their issues are far more significant than those for Android phones, it isn't due to their lazily milking customers."

    Correct, their technical issues are entirely separate from their strategy of lazily milking customers.
  • Ridlo - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    While no Blender test is indeed a bummer, did you guys tried testing with other ray tracing application (LuxMark, C-Ray, Povray, etc.)?
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    I didn't have a standalone test, but Povray is part of SPEC.

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