Overclocking Ryzen 3000

Experience with the MSI MEG X570 Godlike

Overclocking with the Ryzen 3000 series hasn't exactly titillated users since its launch with there not being much headroom available. The biggest issue with this boils down to all-core overclocks being limited by the worst core of the chip. and the new 7 nm processors running quite warm. To get the best experience and results with the Ryzen 3000, users with good quality AIOs and custom water cooling yields the best outcome, and even with voltages of 1.375 V, these chips can run a little too warm for comfort. 

The MSI Click BIOS 5 firmware is familiar to us and throughout the different chipsets including X399, X470, and Z390, the MSI MEG X570 Godlike uses the same design layout and setup. Within the OC section of the firmware, users can alter important settings such as the CPU ratio which can be changed in steps of 0.25 MHz, with relevant settings including CPU VCore, CPU Base Clock, and even FCLK frequency. Deeper into the firmware is settings to set the load line calibration (LLC) to a more aggressive or liberal profile, as well as all the Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) settings. 

The three main settings that PBO works from include package power tracking (PPT), thermal design current (TDC), and the electrical design current (EDC). All three of these can be set within the firmware under the advanced section of the Precision Boost Overdrive menu, although MSI has included four different PBO profiles for users to select from. The higher the setting, the higher the thermal and power draw will be, and it may not necessarily matter if a sub-par cooler is installed; it's noted that Ryzen 3000 processors work better when they are cooler.

There are seven different MSI Game Boost profiles to select from and users can access them via the dial at the bottom of the board, or through the firmware itself. The Game Boost profiles within the firmware can be accessed through the dial in the top left-hand corner. These profiles range from 4.0 GHz through to 4.3 GHz, and we've tested each of them below.

Overclocking Methodology

Our standard overclocking methodology is as follows. We select the automatic overclock options and test for stability with POV-Ray and OCCT to simulate high-end workloads. These stability tests aim to catch any immediate causes for memory or CPU errors.

For manual overclocks, based on the information gathered from the previous testing, starts off at a nominal voltage and CPU multiplier, and the multiplier is increased until the stability tests are failed. The CPU voltage is increased gradually until the stability tests are passed, and the process repeated until the motherboard reduces the multiplier automatically (due to safety protocol) or the CPU temperature reaches a stupidly high level (105ºC+). Our testbed is not in a case, which should push overclocks higher with fresher (cooler) air.

Overclocking Results

As it currently stands, MSI's Game Boost overclocking profiles need quite a bit of refinement, something they have informed us that these will be rectified with a new firmware revision; we will test this when we receive the board back from MSI. The issue with these is CPU VCore, or in a nutshell, too much of it which cross the board into the unsafe territory of the Ryzen 3000 processors safety limits; both in CPU VCore and in temperature. When we activated PBO and MSI's preset profiles for this, it didn't make much of an impact over the stock settings, which seems to be a reoccurring issue so far across the range of models we have tested so far.

Manually overclocking the MSI MEG X570 Godlike proved very fruitful and we managed to hit what seems to be the limits of our Ryzen 7 3700X testbed CPU with an overclock of 4.3 GHz all-cores with a CPU VCore of 1.35 V, which seems to be the brick wall for our processor. Even with a CPU VCore of 1.50 V, we couldn't get 4.4 GHz to remain stable when any kind of semi-intensive load was placed on the processor, although we did manage to boot into Windows 10 without fanfare with these settings. The performance wasn't throttled in POV-Ray throughout each of the frequencies tested and once the temperature limit of 110ºC is exceeded, the system will safely shut down. From 3.6 to 4.2 GHz, we managed to do this with a set CPU VCore of 1.250 V which did fluctuate slightly under load under the auto LLC setting. It is safe to say that the MSI MEG X570 Godlike doesn't have a VDroop issue and even at 4.3 GHz, a set CPU VCore of 1.375 resulted in a maximum load voltage of 1.384 V which isn't too far off the mark. 

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  • goatfajitas - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    Yes when benchmarking a high end VC at 720p or 1080p you can isolate the CPU performance but who on Earth would run that way? You dont buy a high end VC to run at low res. As I said "that isnt realistically what anyone would have bought." - meaning in real word scenarios.
  • inighthawki - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    Some games are poorly optimized in the graphics department, so you spend a lot of money on the GPU (in *addition* to a high end CPU) to minimize the chances of either being the bottleneck. It's a very real world scenario, it's just not what you do.
  • WaltC - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    Nobody wants to play games at 640x480 with overscan....;) Ugh...!
  • Peter2k - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    On Intel, even a budget friendly, but solid board clocks as high, or nearly, as a top of the line board

    For AMD the difference in clocks is closer to 50Mhz, and in the recent test from hardware unboxed, not every high end board actually boosted faster then a cheaper one
  • urmom - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link

    Actually, the $700 boards won't overclock chips any better than the $250 boards. The limit is now in the CPU.
  • 29a - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link

    Power delivery makes a difference too.
  • kobblestown - Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - link

    Right now on Newegg you can get an X399 MB plus a 12-core TR 1920X for $500 combined! And when 3950X is out, the 16 core TR 1 and 2 will probably also get heavily discounted. Paying $700 for an AM4 board is crazy.
  • Sweetbabyjays - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    100% agree, if you need cores, and pcie bandwidth, TR4 is a much better platform at this pricepoint.
  • Peter2k - Thursday, August 29, 2019 - link

    While I absolutely agree on that price of 700 bucks seems outrageous, better putting 500 bucks more into a GPU, one has to say that if you would put a 3950x into that board it would take a while for the CPU to be a bottleneck again

    Also, aside from the looks, there are very little features, maybe none, compared to a 200$ board that make it stand out to me for asking 500 bucks more

    I can add a second network card easy enough, same for other features

    I like the Aorous for its clean look, but then again, I could upgrade to a 2080 super or even 2080ti for all that mark up
  • peevee - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link

    It is a designer drug for game addicts.
    And the price is not for children either. Adults spending all their free time gaming is so sad. Playing once in a while is one thing, buying $700 MBs for extra 1% fps is terminal stage.

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